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1) Message boards : Number crunching : New work Discussion (Message 58525)
Posted 2 Aug 2018 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
The climate models used here are from the UK Met Office, where they run on supercomputers, so it's unlikely that there's still any bugs after all of this time.


At the risk of being thought disagreeable, I respectfully disagree. This situation regarding numerous failing tasks is purely the result of inadequate; nay, POOR CPDN software design, aka bugs... perhaps an entire nest of them!

The entire purpose of BOINC is to enable multiple projects to be run on individual PC's, not supercomputers. Dinking around with the global settings inherent in BOINC to PERHAPS stabilize one project - i.e., CPDN - at the risk of destabilizing other BOINC-related projects - i.e., SETI, LHC, Cosmology, Milky Way, etc, etc, etc - is NOT a solution and is in fact foolhardy.

The tasks may or may not contain garbage data - if they do, then it is up to the programmers to determine what that bad data may contain and adjust the operating code to compensate, OR to adjust the code creating the tasks to edit the data more courageously.

In any event, comparing the operating system and processing software that may be running on whatever mainframe CPDN uses to the myriad operating systems being used by BOINC volunteers in a vain hope to stabilize CPDN is just simply useless. To reiterate a comment I made recently on this subject in another thread, NO ONE really understands what the problem is, let alone what a solution may be.

To mis-quote the Bard,

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our PC's, but in CPDN, for we are underlings.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while computing??? (Message 58462)
Posted 23 Jul 2018 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
Several new posts to this thread have postulated various causes for CPDN to error out. I've checked each of my machines and have found nothing that stands out as a smoking gun.

I've been running CPDN since 2005 together with as many as 10 additional BOINC projects on various versions of Wintel machines, and up until last fall had no problems with any of them, apart from the occasional hiccups which go with any BOINC project. For the most part, they have all played nicely together for more than a decade. As I remarked below, I spent too many decades as a programmer to make system changes without investigating them thoroughly beforehand.

Right now, I'm running eight BOINC projects - including CPDN - and the only project I'm currently having issues with is CPDN, and I didn't start having those problems until last fall.

I do not make configuration changes to BOINC without good reason. However it wants to install itself is fine with me. In all the years I've been running BOINC projects, the only global change I've ever made to all of my machines is to disable GPU use. This was the case before last fall, and is true today.

I've carefully investigated each of the clues and suggestions found in previous threads and come up with zilch. I'm not denying the fault MAY lie with my machine, but if that's the case, it's with all three machines and that isn't reasonable.

The theory that the problem is caused by constant switching back and forth from CPDN to other projects doesn't hold up in my experience with multiple projects.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while computing??? (Message 58447)
Posted 21 Jul 2018 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
A post in a different thread reminded me of something - Since October/November 2017, virtually every task I've attempted has died with a computing error.

Before that, I had gone for at least year with virtually every task running to completion - not all, of course, but surely more than 95%. I got the occasional time-out, and the occasional Error while Computing, but by and large, I had no real problems.

After that period, out of 33 tasks attempted, I've had only 3 run to completion, with 2 hung up in purgatory.

In looking over my task list, it's been a mixed bag as far as which of my three boxes had problems, but one thing is certain - the problems started just about a year ago regardless of which machine was running the task.

I spent too many years as a programmer to make changes willy-nilly with no evidence to back up the changes. Up until I examined the situation, I was of the opinion that my machine was messed up somehow. Now, I'm not so sure, particularly if others started having problems about that time.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while computing??? (Message 58435)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
First, thank you for the help. I appreciate your time.

I wasn't using the suspend option at all - at least, the box wasn't checked. I've activated it and set it to 100% per your comment. I wonder if not having a setting at all may have been the problem.

I was already using only 75% of the CPUs, but have set that to 50%.

Okay. We'll see what we see, I guess.

Again, thank you for your time.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while computing??? (Message 58430)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Thund3rb1rd
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My tasks keep dying. They get just so far - in some cases VERY far - then die off. This was happening even befor the Situation.

Anyone have any ideas why?
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Total Credit (Message 53916)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
I'm almost afraid to ask this. Seems like folks are getting a mite testy.

Should I be looking at my BOINC Manager Statistics display for the wayward credits, or will they only be repaired in my account statistics in CPDN?

I ask because they do seem to be back in my CPDN account, but my local statistics are still short.

I've updated CPDN a couple of time this past few days, but still no joy.

Thanks for all your work.


7) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit updates? (Message 49952)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
8 BILLION credits???!!! Apparently, your problem didn't get fixed.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit updates? (Message 49825)
Posted 21 Aug 2014 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
Even though the CPDN credit value seems fixed, it has really bollixed up the Statistics page within BOINC. On mine, there is a sharp spike covering 3 days running from the 5,000,000-plus credit total I should have to just under 80,000,000, which is - of course - absurd.
9) Questions and Answers : Windows : Visual Fortran run-time error (Message 39604)
Posted 20 Apr 2010 by Thund3rb1rd
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I keep getting the following error message:

\"forrtl: severe (24): end-of-file during read, unit 20, file c:\\ProgramData\\BOINC\\projects\\climateprediction.net\\hadsm3dhet2_kajh_006623311\\fort.20
Image
hadsm3_se_6.07_wi 0056E572
PC
unknown
Line
Unknown
Source
Unknown

Stack trace terminated abnormally\"

do you need any more information?

10) Message boards : Number crunching : HADAM3P's too much RAC weight? (Message 37024)
Posted 31 May 2009 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
I'm sure I have the wrong attitude about this credit business, but does any of it really matter in the grand scheme of things? Is any of it effecting the science in any way? Are the models being computed incorrectly because of the amount of credit given or not given?

Or am I just being a cranky old man?
11) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 35043)
Posted 18 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
Try:
1) In the Projects tab, set all projects to No new tasks
2) In the Tasks tab, Suspend all except one WU.
3) Select the one that\'s running, and try to look at the graphics.
4) Suspend this Wu.
5) Start one of the others, and try to look at it\'s graphics.
6) Do this with all WUs, making a note about which projects don\'t show a graphic.
7) Allow all WUs to run, and set all projects to Allow new tasks
8 ) Post results here.



Okay - for CPDN, Einstein@home and Seti@home, the graphics tab was not greyed-out, but the graphics wouldn\'t display for any of the three, no matter how long I waited.

For Milkyway, Orbit, Cosmology and Enigma, the tab remained greyed-out, which I took to mean there were no graphics available.

Didn\'t have a task for lhcathome, so don\'t know either way, but if memory serves, that one doesn\'t have graphics either.

In short, no graphics.

I am a little concerned about the missing \"daemon\" remark, tho\'.

bob
12) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 35040)
Posted 18 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
No mention there of this:
12/09/2008 1:59:29 PM||Running as a daemon



Now that you mention it, I used to see this daemon remark every time I restarted BOINC. I don\'t see it any more...ever.

Will advise after completing the other tests.

bob
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 35036)
Posted 17 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
Now open BOINC Manager again, and go to the messages tab (in advanced view). What do you see? If you see messages about BOINC starting up, then again, you are not running as a service. Wait until the science applications have started up, then copy all messages and paste them here - there may be some clues the team can pick over.



Ok - done.

9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for windows_intelx86
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Libraries: libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Processor: 1 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1300MHz [x86 Family 6 Model 11 Stepping 1]
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Processor features: fpu tsc sse mmx
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Memory: 509.98 MB physical, 1.22 GB virtual
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Disk: 69.65 GB total, 46.89 GB free
9/17/2008 5:00:41 PM||Local time is UTC -6 hours
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 183561; location: home; project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|Einstein@Home|URL: http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID: 21810; location: home; project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|lhcathome|URL: http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/; Computer ID: 42851; location: home; project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|Milkyway@home|URL: http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID: 13062; location: (none); project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|orbit@home|URL: http://orbit.psi.edu/oah/; Computer ID: 3201; location: (none); project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 172770; location: home; project prefs: home
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|Cosmology@Home|URL: http://www.cosmologyathome.org/; Computer ID: 23551; location: (none); project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|Enigma@Home|URL: http://www.enigmaathome.net/; Computer ID: 6148; location: (none); project prefs: default
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 15-Apr-2008 14:58:46)
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM||Host location: home
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 254.99MB
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 458.99MB
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM||Preferences limit disk usage to 34.82GB
9/17/2008 5:00:42 PM|Milkyway@home|Restarting task gs_3721282_1221633993_341569_1 using astronomy version 122

Hope this helps someone.

bob
14) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 35032)
Posted 17 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
So that\'s not the problem. I think the problem is that you have BOINC5 installed as a service.

Here\'s a workaround/fix in Jorden\'s FAQ. (This is only for BOINC5, not BOINC6).

If you do that, could you please let us know whether it works for you.


Okay, as my grandson says, this is getting weird.

If I run services.msc as stipulated in the FAQ, BOINC isn\'t listed at all; yet in taskmgr, both boincmgr and the currently-running project software are both listed in the \"Process\" window. I\'ve always assumed the programs listed in the \"Process\" window were running as services. If I right-click on the program from the \"Process\" window, all I can do is reset the priority or stop the process.

What am I doing wrong?

bob
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 35027)
Posted 17 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
[* Exit completely from BOINC (not just close BOINC Manager), then restart it.]

No change - still doesn\'t work.

[* If that doesn\'t work, exit from BOINC then reboot the computer, then restart BOINC.]

ditto

[If that doesn\'t work either could you tell us whether you have your BOINC 5.10.45 installed as a service.]

BOINC is running as a service.

I got to thinking, tho\'. (What was it Milne said about a first-rate mind only being happy when it\'s thinking? :) Actually, the graphics no longer work on ANY of the projects I\'m working on; not just CPDN. I don\'t know about some of them - I don\'t even know for sure if they even HAVE graphics. I do know that of the projects I work on, three (CPDN, Einstein@home and Seti@home) USED to have graphics. Now the tab is either greyed out, even when the task is running, or simply doesn\'t work at all.

I sort of vaguely recall reading on some message board or another that the graphics won\'t work as a function of BOINC if the computer is considered overloaded, but I don\'t remember for sure.

In any event, I doubt this situation is a function of CPDN exclusively. Sounds like a BOINC thing to me.

bob

16) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 35006)
Posted 16 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
A couple of days ago, I posted a \"me too\" to this thread.

This morning, I noticed that the \"Show Graphics\" tab has un-grayed itself, but it still doesn\'t work. I press the tab but nothing happens.

This isn\'t really a big deal to me (although I do miss seeing what my model is thinking) as long as my model is computing correctly. I\'d hate to think the work being done is useless.

By the way, I\'ve changed nothing. Still a HadSM3 5.06 model running under BOINC version 5.10.45.

bob
17) Questions and Answers : Windows : No more graphics available (Message 34988)
Posted 14 Sep 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
Me too. I just noticed the \"show graphics\" tab has grayed itself out...didn\'t used to be that way only a few days ago, but even then it didn\'t work. I\'d press the tab but nothing happened. My model is a HadSM3 5.06 model. I too went back to 5.10.45 from 6.2.18, but the tab wasn\'t working even before I went to 6.2.18.

bob
18) Questions and Answers : Windows : upgrade to boinc 6.2.16 (Message 34638)
Posted 15 Aug 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
First, thank you, Les, for all your help. I appreciate your efforts.

Personally, I\'m starting to regret going to V6. It\'s seems an awful lot of trouble to manage for no real benefit on an XP machine. Being able to run as a daemon seemed a good idea at the time, but frankly, I feel like I gave up way too much control.

Oh, well, what\'s done is done. Besides, it isn\'t like all this BOINC-ing around is a nuclear war or anything.

Cheers, all.

bob
19) Questions and Answers : Windows : upgrade to boinc 6.2.16 (Message 34629)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
Yes, this does shut BOINC down, but the only way I could find to restart it was to actually reboot the computer. Seems a bit of a kludge, actually.

Perhaps I could have restarted without rebooting had I known what BOINC calls my computer, but I couldn\'t find that, either.

Also, on startup, I received the same set of messages:

climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadsm3fub_jnfn_005948502_3 using hadsm3 version 506
climateprediction.net|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
climateprediction.net|Task hadsm3fub_jnfn_005948502_3 exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file
climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadsm3fub_jnfn_005948502_3 using hadsm3 version 506
climateprediction.net|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks
climateprediction.net|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
climateprediction.net|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

Apparently, my guess about not shutting down properly was a little off the the mark.

bob
20) Questions and Answers : Windows : upgrade to boinc 6.2.16 (Message 34624)
Posted 14 Aug 2008 by Thund3rb1rd
Post:
I upgraded from 5.10.45 to 6.2.16 and everything went perfectly. I carefully (some would say obsessively) followed the directions to the letter - uninstalled 5.10.45 first, upgraded and just let the new version do it\'s thing. As it happened, the only task i was running was a CPDN model and so far, everyone is playing well together.

The one issue I\'m having, and I\'m not sure exactly why, is when I restart my computer each morning, I get the following messages:

climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadsm3fub_jnfn_005948502_3 using hadsm3 version 506
climateprediction.net|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
climateprediction.net|Task hadsm3fub_jnfn_005948502_3 exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file
climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.
climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadsm3fub_jnfn_005948502_3 using hadsm3 version 506
climateprediction.net|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

I\'m guessing this is because I didn\'t shut BOINC down before shutting down my computer, but I have yet to be able to figure out how to shut down 6.2.16 when it\'s running as an XP service. The old way was to simply EXIT from BOINC, but this isn\'t so on the new version.

Bob from Boise


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