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1) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27633)
Posted 30 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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I have had another problem with my climate project(s) (x 2 for two virtual or hyper threaded CPUs).

After seeing the \"Elapsed Time\" go up to 8 hours or so for one and 10 hours for the other to my chagrin these tmes have now gone back down to under an hour.

The only contraint I have placed is a limit of 2GB of disk space.

There is an option associated with allowing a paused project to i think take up RAM or Swap space - this is turned on.

I am running Vista but am having no other file system or corruption issues on my system.

I think I have reached the point where I am going to get rid of BOINIC and the climate simulator.

My logic is in addition to the above:

* It adds to my CPU power consumption and power bills and therefore contributes to greenhouse gases and global warming.

* The short of it is that we now know enough to know that the proverbial shit is going to hit the fan by mid century when climate change will begin to reach the point (assuming little is done of course) where crop failures, famines etc will begin to take place and sink home in the collectively slow mind of the excessive masses humanity (5 out 6 billion too many for the planet carry capacity at a resonable western standard or living)... I could go on but there is no need to as it is clear enough that we need to ween ourselves entirely off of the carbon economy in very short shrift - whether the models predict another 1 degrees, 3 degrees, 5 degrees, or whatever, by then is of little consequence to me or anyone else I believe... there are so many unknown hidden variables not yet in the models: carbon and methane in permafrost, the exact temperatures at which carbon frozen in various types of forests (equatorial, temperate, alpine etc etc) this can be dependent upon whethere and what types of parisites, borers etc infest the temperature stressed trees etc etc (a recent study shows that the Amazon is actually consuming carbon rather then being carbon neutral (averaged over a year)), the geophysics associated with the undermining of contenantal ice sheets etc. Predicting the species, there requirements, and their impacts upon temperature stressed forests etc is a near imposibility in any model. Complex systems - ecological or otherwise - are just not that easily modelled.

SORRY GUYS but my conclusion is that I will contribute more by not contributing to the climate prediction project anymore. That energy sould be better spent educating the public and importantly our ostrich politicians.

But all the best with it anyway guys and keep up the good work (let me know when you can accurately model even the smallest ecosystem and not just geophysics with plug values for ecophyics...)

Regards,
Matthew.
2) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27451)
Posted 22 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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I long ago fixed my probelms.
I was just pissed that the interface setting are no intuitive for cpdn adn I had to come here to the forum to het the answers as it is not in the documentation.
And no one has as yet shown it to be the documentation anywhere: the answers are only to be found here in the forum.
That in itself is laughable and justifies my admittedly ecessive rants.

So there will be plenty more users like me coming here to get the answers as a result and reaidng these postings.

I didnt know that BOINIC runs at lower priority: I had ceased long ago to think of desktop OSes as prioritized as few apps use it.

In any case the BOINIC (projects) still chews up memory (and resources) when paused so I may or may not tolerate this ans tweak my prefs some meore.

I would ask that what people have wriiten here go into the FAQ/Wiki and the advisory of the non-functionality fo the default preferences goes into it.

Regards.
3) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27429)
Posted 21 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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you are quite right there is info in the wiki on cp but still nothing I can find on perfromance tweaking, update from server etc.

My point again is that you could have many many more users if you address useability issues (and updating the FAQ+Wiki or if the info is already there (which i doubt) making it more easily accessible in the FAQ or Wiki.

This is going to become an awfully long thread if I keep having to come back to ask where in the FAQ Wiki it is a speople keep saying its there but no one can point me to the information despite to many repetative posts by forum members protesting my criticisms.

Guess I keep plugging away until someone posts the actual link or finally come around to my useability and/or documentation opinion and start to do something about it.

People will finally get the message and the project will benefit in the end...

4) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27426)
Posted 21 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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The bottom line is that the USEABILITY SUCKS as any specialist in useability design will tell you. It is written by computer and climtae scientists for computer and climate scientists and I am sure that the BOINIC WIKI has absolutely nothing to say about climatepredctin project setting and I cannot easily find any climateprediction wiki.

So fix your software mate!

Despite my rant - for this you can make no accepatible denials.
5) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27419)
Posted 20 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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Well, you re right about one thing - found the Update button and Updated and guess what it still steals CPU and runs when NOT IDLE.

The simple mode preference values arent updated: they are a furphy disbaling them resulted in the preferences from the climateprediction server finally being passed down and applied.

NOWHERE IN THE FAQ IS THIS EXPLAINED!!!
SAME ARGUMENT APPLIES: CLIMATEPREDICTION.NET MAY WELL BE HAPPY TO STEAL YOUR CPU CYCLES IF YOU DONT REALIZE THIS. ARGUMENT THEN IS WHY THET HAVENT BOTHERED TO DOCUMENT IT!!!???
AGAIN STEALLING CPU IS DESIREABLE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE: IF YOU ARE AN AVERAGE OR IDOT USER THEN THEY MUST OBVIOUSLY BE HAPPY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OTHERWISE OF COURSE: IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED IN THE FAQ WOULDNT IT!!!!!!

For these reasons I am still pissed and my compliants stand as still valid...

BTW: I am a computer scientist (and therefore an expert witness) so if I had problems with it what hope is there for the average user!?

If the BOINIC Managers default preferences (what i would call the session/performance management) are not used then either tweak the client so the entire dialog box is disabled or scrap the server config and stick with the default BOINIC perferences management.

I ask you how many potential users are there that pissed off like me and just uninstall BOINIC and climateprediction.net projectss and fail to asist the project as a result!

One could probably disable the preference menu resource in the executable without even touching the code for christs sake!

Jesus I hate shoddy software and even sloppier developers... I think whoever decided to byoass the BIONIC native config for the server-based project-based specific config is a bloody idiot!





6) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27414)
Posted 20 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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WELL STOPPED AND RESTARTED BOINIC seems like some of the CPU usage and other options may be working but no the idle option as it persists in running continualy : i dont beleive that it is pulling down my settings from the server at all. my client version is 5.8.11 downloaded ove the last few days or weeks from your site.

MY CONCLUSION IS THAT YOU MAY BE IGNORING THE IDLE SETTINGS DELIBERATELY.
IF SO THEN THIS WOULD BE A CRIME IN MOST COUNTRIES...

IF THERE IS NO ANSWER HERE AND YOU DONT SEE A POSITIVE RESPONSE AND ANSWER FROM ME THEN OTHER READERS/USERS HERE CAN TAKE FROM ME IT THAT MY PRESUMPTIONS ARE CORRECT..

COME ON GUYS PLEASE DONT DISSAPOINT ME...
MATTHEW
7) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27412)
Posted 20 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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what a load of bullshit :- its still stealing cpui while not idle. i updated my preferences on the web page/server and THERE IS NO UPDATE OPTION IN THE BOINIC CLIENT MANAGER AS MENTIONED SOMEHWRE.

YOU GUYS GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AS FULL BORE IT MAY WELL COOK MOST LAPTOPS IF LEFT RUNNING AT FULL BORE CPU...

STUPID DAMN STUPID AND VERY SAD
MATTHEW
8) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Run only when my computer is idle (Message 27411)
Posted 20 Mar 2007 by old_user436890
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Yeah it is pissing me off im afraid - ive just tried what you said but it means that the preferences in the boiic manager are crap with the result that it is stealing CPU cycles while i am using the computer and thi sis definately not what i want.
much as i would like to help climateprediction if the user interface is this crap and i cannot reliablely control its operation then it is going to go whihc is unfortunate as i am happy to contribute to this cause when i am away from my pc as i often leave it downloading stuff via emule and thst is fine time to let you guys use it to...
I am very very disappointed as the fine grainned bonic manager settings atre pure bullshit and i wont be advising anyone to contribute to this project otherwise...
if the manager gui settings dont work then they shouldnt be there and you need to set it through a web page instead in my country this would be considered a fraud and consequently a computer crime...
if you can explain and asist let me know other BOINIC will be uninstalled very soon without even a first sim completion
SAD :-(
Matthew




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