Posts by old_user154246

1) Questions and Answers : Windows : When did clouds start forming underwater? (Message 33314) Posted 12 Apr 2008 by old_user154246 Post: Dang, I\'m sorry. I pulled the trigger too quickly. I read the post on ice-worlds, and based on that, it sounded like it was doomed, so I aborted it. So I can\'t do the diagnosis you are asking for. Sorry about that. Well, if it happens again, I\'ll wait to abort until I have done all you ask. Sorry, again.
2) Questions and Answers : Windows : When did clouds start forming underwater? (Message 33312) Posted 12 Apr 2008 by old_user154246 Post: Hi Jindai The model code is indeed written in Fortran, I believe over a million lines of code from the UK Met Office...... Wow, fortran, thought that was seriously outdated, but okay. It does keep giving me errors on the laptop, which only had XP Home, so I detached from it there. I miss the lovely graphics, but whatchagonnado? Have you got one or two HADSM slab models showing in the Tasks tab of your desktop? It would be better if we know for sure because the model you describe running on your desktop seems to have gone wrong and we need to know exactly which model it is to make a definite diagnosis. Only one HADSM slam model showing. hadsm3fub_0563_005942533_4, if that\'s any help. I think the slab model you describe has turned into what, for want of a better phrase, we call an ice world. Model slowed right down, graphics no longer displaying properly. If this is the case it won\'t be processing properly either and will need to be aborted. Ugg, again. Guess I\'ll abort. If your desktop is overclocked, the problem could have been caused by your computer. If it isn\'t overclocked, we will assume that the model was flawed and doomed. (We need to know about possible O/Cing please.) Not overclocking.. Flawed and doomed. Just my luck. I finally get it so it doesn\'t just fail out, but it still fails. I\'ll abort, and see what happens next time. sigh Thanks
3) Questions and Answers : Windows : When did clouds start forming underwater? (Message 33308) Posted 12 Apr 2008 by old_user154246 Post: After some hardware upgrades, finally the model started running without erroring out all the time. (Not on the laptop, I simply gave up there, fortran errors were finally the last straw. Fortan? You\'ve got to be kidding me.) However, on the desktop, I\'ve gotten to nearly 4% complete without errors, and I think that\'s great. However, somewhere around 1.5 percent, the clouds stopped displaying correctly. Now, my oceans show up like smooth grey expanses. If I play with the control to turn off clouds, then suddenly the ocean blue shows up with the clouds are toggled off. So, I\'m thinking that somewhere in the computations the clouds lost elevation, so far that they think they\'re below sea-level. Is this happening to anyone else, and is there a fix to it?
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow as molasses (Message 32722) Posted 23 Feb 2008 by old_user154246 Post: There SHOULD be 2 processes - one for the modelling, and one for the graphics display. You got me. I looked again at the laptop, and there were two processors. sigh Your slow rotation, and the jerkiness may be due to the graphics card and/or driver. Some of them aren\'t too good with the model. Updating the driver from the graphics card maker\'s website may help. I tried it, and it worked. The jerkiness is gone, things run smoothly. I don\'t know why I didn\'t think it through more fully before posting, but I honestly didn\'t think about the video driver. I mean, I\'ve been running it awhile with no OTHER problems. duh Anyway, it seems to be working, or at least it\'s smooth, now. We\'ll see when I get a trickle up. Thanks
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow as molasses (Message 32719) Posted 23 Feb 2008 by old_user154246 Post: I have been away from the project for a bit. The changover from one version to another was jsut messing with my head, so I took a step back until the dust settled. I reattached recently, both with my laptop and my desktop, and things are not quite right. On the laptop, it\'s fine. Looking at the task manager, I only see one process for the model, and rotates smoothly and the percentage creeps up predicably. The Desktop, however, is another story. It has a faster processor, but less RAM, only 512K. (I know, I know) I selected the slab model, as I assumed that would require less processing power, as there isn\'t an engine for the seas, unless I interpreted wrongly. However, it runs VERY slowly, rotation is jerky, and takes HOURS for one revolution. The percentage take days for it to go up ONE point, and if I look in the task manager, I have TWO processes running: hadsm3_5.05_windows_intelx86.exe & hadsm3_um_5.06_windows_intelx86.exe simultatiously. As they both are processor hogs, they seem to be getting in each other\'s way. Does it assume I have a dual processor, or something? I certainly do NOT. As much as I want to help, I don\'t think I can as things are now. None of my projects will finish before a deadline at this rate. Can someone suggest a fix, or at least explain what\'s going on?
6) Questions and Answers : Windows : Who do I tell I lost a workunit? (Message 23044) Posted 7 Jun 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Thanks.. I hoped it was something like that. When the server hasn\'t heard from a model for a few weeks, it\'s automatically labeled as lost, and marked for re-issue.
7) Questions and Answers : Windows : Who do I tell I lost a workunit? (Message 23042) Posted 7 Jun 2006 by old_user154246 Post: I had some adventures with my laptop and the manufacturer recently. Three trips to the shop for three different issues, all in two weeks. The last one they just wiped the HD and all my data. Yeah, I know. Thing is, I have a work unit that was in progress, and it\'s gone, and the site is just telling me that it\'s still \"in progress\" I\'m running a new workunit now, and things are working okay, but I just want to tell someone to close out that other workunit, so that it\'s not sitting there waiting a year just to get nothing. So, who can I tell?
8) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish it worked the way it should (Message 21826) Posted 2 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Yeah, I hear you. Thing is, I never DID attach to the BBC project on the laptop. Not ever. It was CPDN all the way. The Desktop was BBC, and I have fewer problems there (though there are issues) BBC just arrived in the middle of the night, so to speak, and started running. So, I don\'t see how there\'s going to be much of a difference. I\'d detach from CDPN, let the current model run, hope it doesn\'t error out this time, then reattach to CDPN. I imagine I\'ll get one unit from that, then BBC would again take over. Yes, I know it\'s got a shorter lifespan, but that\'s the point isn\'t it? It is designed to be one that has a finish. Again, the desktop is the only one formally attached to BBC, and it has fewer problems. And the BBC project isn\'t as seperate as you might think, if it just takes over. As it does have a terminal date, I understand how it might need to be viral, but I\'m just saying, if it IS going to be that way, the stats for my participation should be switched over to that project, for the duration, and not here on CPDN, don\'t you think? AUTOMATICALLY. It\'s not my choice to have been taken over, I don\'t see why I should do all the work to switch it. (Oh, and by the way, the BBC preferences page is FAR less configurable. That is, the selections are more limited. They work the same, ultimately. That is, in a limited way.) Oh, and I did attack, I admit, but that does not change the fact that there are still issues that need to be fixed, no matter how I brought it up. Preferences need to update and work, work units in smaller chunks to not trip the earliest deadline thing, and perhaps a notice somewhere in the setup instructions that you really DO need to keep the unit in memory when it exits to prevent failure. (As it is, on that page it says keeping it in memory uses up swap space, so, of course, I initially set it to remove it.) The BBC change experiment is a seperate project from CPDN, even though they are run by the same people and do similar (or the same) tasks. I would recommend setting the BBC change experiment for no new work and when the current model is finished detach from it and only attach to the main CPDN project. That should mean your desktop would be changed and your laptop would stay as it is. The reason I recommend this project over the BBC project is that this one has a longer projected lifespan and does more than one type of model. Also contrary to the problems you are having, the main CPDN project is generally better at sharing your computer than the BBC change project. I know it can be frustrating when things are not working as expected, but the people helping you are volunteers as well. So you may get better results if you ask for help instead of attacking.
9) Questions and Answers : Windows : Preferences are a joke, and other buggy errors (Message 21817) Posted 2 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Untrue, I figured out, on my own, since noone on this forum is really helpful, they just like throwing aspersions, that all I have to do is suspend CP, then let BOINC run, and joila! Both einstein and S@H downloaded new work. I figured out this worked because several hours ago, I noticed my desktop was running Seti...then I read the logs, and CP had errored out, and not DL new tasks, so I got to thinking about the previous response, that once CP finally finishes (or errors out, it seems) then the other tasks get a chance. So, making a guess, I suspended CP, and it worked, then I resumed CP, and they play like nice children now, 1 hour one, one hour another, and so on. if you have questions about Seti, just read their news pages March 4, 2006 Our master science database has been checked and is OK. We are (as of yesterday evening) sending out new work And, just so I don\'t leave anything out, since I connected to climateprediction, the setiathome project won\'t freaking download new tasks. I have reset, tried to connect, and nothing, maybe go 3 days before I get anything from SAH. If I suspend CP, guess what? both Einstein at home (which has problems, just not as much) and SAH connect and get project fine. So, by elimination, CP is freaking blocking things! S@H hasn\'t been sending out WUs for more than a week now.
10) Questions and Answers : Windows : Preferences are a joke, and other buggy errors (Message 21815) Posted 2 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: [quote]Come on! Next you\'ll be wanting the credits from all projects to appear on your SETI account. THE OXFORD AND BBC CLIMATE MODELS ARE 2 SEPARATE PROJECTS! Now are you are just sniping, not doing anything constructive. I will NOT want my credits on my seti account. I only mention Change and prediction to get it together because for the last few weeks, I have not BEEN running the oxford model, I have been running ONLY the BBC model. If I was running only oxford here, I would only care about 1 computer being listed, but oxford was prempted, now wasn\'t it? Is that my fault? No, I don\'t think so. It\'s the projects. So, if they are going to take over oxford and run BBC on my box, then they need to transfer the account over, simple as that. Who the heck wrote this piece of crud program? It was written over several decades by numerous scientists/researchers working for the British Met Office, where the original is run on their supercomputers for weather forecasting, and, computer time permitting, some climate modelling. My turn to snipe: Guess that explains it, you didn\'t have an actualy PROGRAMMER writing anything, that\'s your terminal mistake. GET ONE, and fix the bugs. And that earlier deadline thing is part of BOINC, written in the good old USA at Berkeley, by the same people who wrote the SETI program. If you want to complain to them about it try How about CP just make it so they deadlines aren\'t so bloated you trigger the ED thing? Again, you are assuming I\'m at fault for THIS buggy program. I didn\'t write it, the \"team\" did, and they are the ones that need to fix it, NOT ME.
11) Questions and Answers : Windows : Preferences are a joke, and other buggy errors (Message 21810) Posted 2 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Well, I think I figured out why only one comp shows up on my list. I signed up with climate CHANGE on the desktop, and PREDICTION with the laptop. Even though I am running CHANGE models on both, the credit is evidently assigned differently. Not sure why, though, both comps are listed on Seti, why can\'t CC/CP get it together? I have set it to leave in memory, hope that will work, I really do want to help this, but it\'s getting so freaking frustrating. OH, and on the desktop, it HAS had a trickle or two, yet the graphics preferences have not changed a whit, so your answer is non-sensical. Oh, and that earlier deadline thing seems rather draculian, any way to disable it? I mean really, both my processors finish a seti or an eistien in a matter of 5 proc hours, and even swapping with CC, that means it finishes in under a day, well in advance of any deadline, no matter how early. Climate change is a sub-set of the models that climate prediction runs, so you will see the them on both projects from time to time. Looking through your computers there is only the laptop attached here and all previous models for it have crashed. If you are using the preference to only run when idle you need to leave aplications in memory. Otherwise models are likely to crash when resuming and you will make very little progress since checkpoints are not very frequent. The graphics preferences may not take effect until the first trickle, none of your models made it far enough to trickle. Just make sure the preferences are correct on the website. They should be picked up eventually. The number of registered users is updated at trickles as well and that may be why you are seeing odd numbers. That feature also may not work at all here, it may be specifically for the BBC version. The coupled model (climate change) takes a good deal longer than the other types of models but the deadline is the same. Because of this it is likely to cause your computer to go into earliest deadline first mode. In EDF mode new tasks will not be downloaded. Once your climate model finishes you will not download a new one until SETI has had some time on the host.
12) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish it worked the way it should (Message 21809) Posted 2 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Okay, I\'ll try again. I\'ll set it so the prog stays in memory, and maybe that\'ll stop it from failing out. I am getting tired of reading and rereading and still nothing works like it\'s supposed to. I followed all the instructions more than once, I don\'t see anything changing. First this project took me over, then it blocked all the others. And the fact you only see ONE computer is yet another bug, I have TWO running this, but I think I can figure it out. The Desktop was signed up for climate CHANGE, and the laptop climate PREDICTION, and though both are running CHANGE models, I guess the signups are the problem. I DO have credit for the desktop, but then it runs a lot longer without me interupting it anyway, so the deleting from memory error wasn\'t as much of an issue. I\'ve set BOTH sets of preferences to allow the prog to stay in memory when exited, hope that helps. Still doesn\'t change the fact that the text panel will NOT go away even though I have that selected in prefs, and the other errors that drive me crazy. (Although, to be fair, for the desktop, the prefs page for CHANGE doesn\'t have an option for smooth OR grids. It\'s just \"cloud\" \"temp\" or \"pressure\") I\'ll give it another go at it. sigh this is getting maddening though. Shouldn\'t my two comps be linked, because they are running the same models, though I signed up for different aspects initially? I Know Seti on both shows both computers on the \"my computers\" listing, why can\'t this one figure it out? [quote]I will only answer part of this; You have no credit because your computer keeps errorring out see below......Oh and read the instructions.....
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : Preferences are a joke, and other buggy errors (Message 21781) Posted 1 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Yes, \"use preferences\" is Checked. The one part that does work is I prefer to only have BOINC run when I\'m not actively working on the comp. THAT works, now (Previous model of Climatechange specific boinc would NOT run that way, for some buggy reason.) As for the share, you did get me there, I do have it at 50%, sharing with Seti@home at 50%...Still, 2.6 gigs is less than 25% of 12, and less than 50% of 4.9 or whatever it was before. But, despite the share at 50%, Seti is still being strangled by CC. So it\'s really NOT a share, is it? Have you got the \'Use prefences\' preference ticked? Near the bottom on the same screen. What share of resources have you given the project? This will affect the disk space it can use (so if you define 5 gig, but give it 50% resources, it is only allowed to use 2.5gig). Incidentally, some of this disk space is probably being used by crashed models.
14) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish it worked the way it should (Message 21780) Posted 1 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: I want the prefences I select to MEAN something. Currently, I have selected preferences such as \"no text panel,\" \"smooth cloud\" and 6 gigs of space on my HD. The text panel is ALWAYS there, and despite the fact current technology prevents burn-in for the most part, it\'s UGLY, and I don\'t want to see it. 2:I keep seeing the Grid clouds, which are also ugly. (yes, I only run BOINC when my system is idle, so the hot keys do not work. Try and hit ctrl-z and the text panel drops away, then the screensaver exits too. when it comes back, so does the text-panel.) 3: looking at the disk usage Climateprediction was using 4.6 gigs, but I got warnings that I needed to give MORE space for usage, so I upped it to 12 (!) gigs to use, and when it did download more, it was only 2.6 gigs! So, basically, I upped it to a rediculous amount for no reason, except some bug in the server, or the program said I needed more. So, I\'d REALLY like to see that fixed. In addition, on one computer I rarely see my progress as greater than .01 percent, the other, I see maybe .065%, but rarely more. Now, I know this is a freaking MASSIVE project, but it sure would make me feel like I\'m actually contributing if the percentage reflected the work I\'m doing. My comps do the work, upload, then download a new segment or parcel, but it never hit 100% for that task? PULEASE! It finished, so it hit 100, I know this mathmatically, so why don\'t the computations reflect this? Part of the reason I contrubute is the feel-good sensation, but I honestly don\'t feel like I\'m doing anything when I can\'t see any results at all. Which brings up my contribution stats a big whopping 0 for BOTH computers, despite the fact I have completed at least a hundred sets of computations. What the heck is up with that? So, fix the server, give me some credit, or even a nasty-gram saying my comps are sending bad numbers or something. I get NOTHING out of this, good or bad, so far. One other error. One one computer, is shows there are 162008 registered users helping out, which is cool. On my OTHER computer, it shows 1! That\'s right, 1 registered user, which I assume is me. What, is my laptop all alone in the world, despite being 10 feet from the desktop, sharing the same internet connection, which shows 162007 more users? So, I\'d really like that bug fixed. Oh, and since I connected to climateprediction, the setiathome project won\'t download new tasks. I have reset, tried to connect, and nothing, maybe go 3 days before I get anything from SAH. If I suspend CP, guess what? both Einstein at home (which has problems, just not as much) and SAH connect and get tasks fine. So, by elimination, CP is blocking things! And one further thing. One one comp, I signed on for climate PREDICTION, and the other Climate CHANGE. Somewhere in the night, about a week ago, BOTH became CHANGE. Now, if this is normal, and prediction is done till change is through, fine, but it\'d be nice to get an email telling me of the change. There are SERIOUS buggy issues going on here, and if they are not addressed and fixed soon, I will detach from this inelegant, and seemingly useless project very soon, with BOTH computers!
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : Preferences are a joke, and other buggy errors (Message 21770) Posted 1 Apr 2006 by old_user154246 Post: Who the heck wrote this piece of crud program? I have selected preferences such as \"no text panel,\" \"smooth cloud\" and 6 gigs of space on my HD. The text panel is ALWAYS there, and despite the fact current technology prevents burn-in for the most part, it\'s UGLY, and I don\'t want to see it. 2:I keep seeing the Grid clouds, which is also ugly. 3: looking at the disk usage Climateprediction is using 4.6 gigs, but I got warnings that I needed to give MORE space for usage, so I upped it to 12 (!) gigs to use, and when it did download more, it was only 2.6 gigs! In addition, on one computer I rarely see my progress as greater than .01 percent, the other, I see maybe .065%, but rarely more. Now, I know this is a freaking MASSIVE project, but it sure would make me feel like I\'m actually contributing if the percentage reflected the work I\'m doing. My comps do the work, upload, then download a new segment or parcel, but it never hit 100% for that task? PULEASE! It finished, so it hit 100, I know this mathmatically, so why don\'t the computations reflect this? Part of the reason I contrubute is the feel-good sensation, but I honestly don\'t feel like I\'m doing anything when I can\'t see any results at all. Which brings up my contribution stats a big whopping 0 for BOTH computers, despite the fact I have completed at least a hundred sets of computations. WHat the heck is up with that? One other error. One one computer, is shows there are 162008 registered users helping out, which is cool. On my OTHER computer, it shows 1! That\'s right, 1 registered user, which I assume is me. What, is my laptop all alone in the world, despite being 10 feet from the desktop, sharing the same internet connection, which shows 162007 more users? And, just so I don\'t leave anything out, since I connected to climateprediction, the setiathome project won\'t freaking download new tasks. I have reset, tried to connect, and nothing, maybe go 3 days before I get anything from SAH. If I suspend CP, guess what? both Einstein at home (which has problems, just not as much) and SAH connect and get project fine. So, by elimination, CP is freaking blocking things! Oh, and one further thing. One one comp, I signed on for climate PREDICTION, and the other Climate CHANGE. Somewhere in the night, about a week ago, BOTH became CHANGE. Now, if this is normal, and prediction is done till change is through, fine, but it\'d be nice to get a freaking email telling this. There are SERIOUS buggy issues going on here, and if they are not addressed and fixed soon, I will detach from this inelegant, and seemingly useless project very soon, with BOTH computers!