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Message 69603 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 16:04:49 UTC - in response to Message 69602.  

Good to hear Glen. I am guessing these should be OK to run under WINE?
Well, they will run, but whether the task would give the same answer in Wine as it would under Windows on bare metal is still an open question. We haven't made that test.
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Message 69605 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 18:00:02 UTC - in response to Message 69603.  

Well, they will run, but whether the task would give the same answer in Wine as it would under Windows on bare metal is still an open question. We haven't made that test.

Will they go to upload7 server which still manifests upload problems as I mentioned in the other thread.
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Message 69606 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 18:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 69605.  

Will they go to upload7 server which still manifests upload problems as I mentioned in the other thread.
They will go to upload7 However the issue with the server only applies now we believe to uploads that have been interrupted in the past and shouldn't happen with new ones.

I guess it is wait and see.
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Message 69607 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 20:46:00 UTC - in response to Message 69606.  

If the new tasks drop while I'm available, I'll try to snag one and test interrupting an upload - that's easy to organise. (Pulling out a network cable is pretty good). See if anything's changed from the problems that were seen before the server upgrade.
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Message 69608 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 20:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 69607.  

If the new tasks drop while I'm available, I'll try to snag one and test interrupting an upload - that's easy to organise. (Pulling out a network cable is pretty good). See if anything's changed from the problems that were seen before the server upgrade.
Switching on or off a VPN also causes confusion. Or it used to with LHC, they seem to be more robust now. I assume it involves a lost packet and a retry. Those are sent within the VB environment, not by Boinc.
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Message 69609 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 20:57:15 UTC

Or if your ISP tries to block vpn and causes connection problems.
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Message 69611 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 22:35:08 UTC - in response to Message 69607.  

Richard, Andy says the problems occurred because the upload disk filled and data was moved off it. So it's not something a client can reproduce.

If the new tasks drop while I'm available, I'll try to snag one and test interrupting an upload - that's easy to organise. (Pulling out a network cable is pretty good). See if anything's changed from the problems that were seen before the server upgrade.
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Message 69612 - Posted: 7 Sep 2023, 22:57:46 UTC - in response to Message 69609.  
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Or if your ISP tries to block vpn and causes connection problems.
Ouch, if we can't use VPNs that's a big step towards evil government control.

I'm sure the VPN folk will find a way round it. I can VPN into Russia, can you not VPN out? Or try Onion.
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Message 69621 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 13:50:42 UTC - in response to Message 69528.  

Glenn, I wonder if running climate simulations on the DynexSolve distributed neuromorphic computing network might be faster and/or more accurate. It's still a work in progress and they might welcome the extra load. Their devs are active on their Discord channel. https://dynexcoin.org/about[/size]
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/ace9dd93beae65218cfc7abdbaf6d22e58e0075ed9b1cbf3fd76c153cd1c0eeb

https://medium.com/@ares_61826/why-we-believe-the-dynex-cryptocurrency-is-a-scam-from-sec-sanctioned-daniel-mattes-561bbabbd89a

Dynex is a scam.
By definition all cryptocurrency is a scam. The fatal flaw of Dynex is they created a new CaCaCoin making it subject to difficulty changes and miner profitability. Miners are fickle and the project will die when they can't cover their electric bills.
I read 4 of the philippics written by the anonymous conspiracy axe-grinder you linked to. Things I learned: the Dynex SAT solver works but he knows one that runs faster but doesn't say if that's in distributed computing mode, Dynex spent money to get where they are, there is no rugpull token, no premine and hence no scam. The anonymous conspiracy theorist merely seems to have a grudge against the person he thinks is behind a different mask than his.
I wonder if Mr Hucker thinks Robert F Kennedy, Jr is a polymath?
Somebody is going to make this concept work. A version was even the subject of a distant BOINC project.
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Message 69622 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 13:53:28 UTC - in response to Message 69529.  

Dynex is a scam.
Certainly enough red flags that I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Not proven to be a scam but no way am I going near it.
I've run it for thousands of compute hours with no problem. Can't imagine what you imagine may happen to your barge pole?
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Message 69623 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 13:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 69531.  

Glenn, I wonder if running climate simulations on the DynexSolve distributed neuromorphic computing network might be faster and/or more accurate. It's still a work in progress and they might welcome the extra load. Their devs are active on their Discord channel. https://dynexcoin.org/about
Not something I have heard of - I have no idea what a neuromorphic network is; I presume it's just a fancy name for a neural network implemented on GPUs. Can't say it's of interest.

There is no existing code for GPUs in any of the models that CPDN use. The forecasting centres are however working on including GPUs in the model codes. Try searching for 'atmospheric ocean models using GPU' and it will give hits.
Thirty times faster caught my eye from this search, hopefully CPDN will speed up.
Looking forward to getting some Linux WUs of any kind.
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Message 69624 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:06:28 UTC - in response to Message 69622.  
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Dynex is a scam.
Certainly enough red flags that I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Not proven to be a scam but no way am I going near it.
I've run it for thousands of compute hours with no problem. Can't imagine what you imagine may happen to your barge pole?
I found many many sites saying Dynex is a scam. And none saying it was of any use.

I did try to install it, but when it kept on refusing to work, and AVG kept saying no, I sent it to virustotal, where almost every virus checker didn't like it. I'm not going to run a virus on my computer to please that 14 million dollar fraudster - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sec-jumio-mattes-idUSKCN1RE260 . Other cryptocurrency doesn't flag up like that.

And your first sentence to me was "by definition all cryptocurrency is a scam", now you say this one isn't? Maybe you're Daniel?

I've only found two coins which aren't scams, Gridcoin and Curecoin. They give you coins for work you're already doing in Boinc and Folding@Home, not ask you to run mindless calculations for other people.
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Message 69625 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:17:27 UTC - in response to Message 69547.  

No other projects I know of run tasks with this high memory requirements so it's not obvious how they will be received. Let's walk first before we run with this.
The 2 highest I'm running are LHC ATLAS and einstein_O3MD1 Multi-Directional Gravitational Wave search both using 2 GB RAM. Problem is they start off committing much less and it slowly grows to 2 GB. They'll let you run as many as you want. If you start too many you can freeze your computer and must take caution to limit the number in your app_config.
That said I too have a number of computers that could give your big boys a field test.
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Message 69626 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:19:37 UTC

Do you run them on virtualbox or natively on linux?
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Message 69627 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 69550.  

LHC's ATLAS tasks at 10GB are the biggest I know of. But that's 8 threads, so you don't get people trying to run huge numbers of them. Are yours going to be single threads?
If memory serves LHC ATLAS is not a legitimate multithreaded project, they just package multiple tasks in one WU. You can watch them end one-by-one until there's a single long runner with 7 idle CPUs. Milkyway has real multithreaded WUs but hardly uses any RAM. Problem with mt is they overload the L3 cache and slow down dramatically. MW works best at 3 CPUs.
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Message 69628 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:24:25 UTC - in response to Message 69626.  

Do you run them on virtualbox or natively on linux?
I only run native Linuc WUs and never use virtualbox.
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Message 69629 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:28:45 UTC - in response to Message 69624.  

Dynex is a scam.
Certainly enough red flags that I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Not proven to be a scam but no way am I going near it.
I've run it for thousands of compute hours with no problem. Can't imagine what you imagine may happen to your barge pole?
I found many many sites saying Dynex is a scam. And none saying it was of any use.

I did try to install it, but when it kept on refusing to work, and AVG kept saying no, I sent it to virustotal, where almost every virus checker didn't like it. I'm not going to run a virus on my computer to please that 14 million dollar fraudster - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sec-jumio-mattes-idUSKCN1RE260 . Other cryptocurrency doesn't flag up like that.

And your first sentence to me was "by definition all cryptocurrency is a scam", now you say this one isn't? Maybe you're Daniel?

I've only found two coins which aren't scams, Gridcoin and Curecoin. They give you coins for work you're already doing in Boinc and Folding@Home, not ask you to run mindless calculations for other people.
I found it was absolutely trivial to setup and run DNX. The early miners had bugs.
GRC and CURE are scams too. All supply and no demand. Nobody actually needs cryptocurrency. Someone should figure out a way to pay workers using real money so they cover their electric bills. Somebody will but crypto is not the answer.
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Message 69630 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:40:21 UTC - in response to Message 69625.  

No other projects I know of run tasks with this high memory requirements so it's not obvious how they will be received. Let's walk first before we run with this.
The 2 highest I'm running are LHC ATLAS and einstein_O3MD1 Multi-Directional Gravitational Wave search both using 2 GB RAM. Problem is they start off committing much less and it slowly grows to 2 GB. They'll let you run as many as you want. If you start too many you can freeze your computer and must take caution to limit the number in your app_config.
That said I too have a number of computers that could give your big boys a field test.
Einstein doesn't freeze my computers. Boinc removes tasks if the memory is too full.
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Message 69631 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:41:30 UTC

Unfortunately CMS is still virtualbox only.
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Message 69632 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 14:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 69627.  

LHC's ATLAS tasks at 10GB are the biggest I know of. But that's 8 threads, so you don't get people trying to run huge numbers of them. Are yours going to be single threads?
If memory serves LHC ATLAS is not a legitimate multithreaded project, they just package multiple tasks in one WU. You can watch them end one-by-one until there's a single long runner with 7 idle CPUs.
Correct. I just tell Boinc it uses an average of 7, then it overcommits the computer with others so it's always busy.

Milkyway has real multithreaded WUs but hardly uses any RAM. Problem with mt is they overload the L3 cache and slow down dramatically. MW works best at 3 CPUs.
How can running more of them overload the cache less?
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