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Message 63610 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 16:06:56 UTC

How can climate change be on the tip of every politician's tongue, yet very little research seems to be being done here? Could it be they don't want more research in case it messes up their policies?
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Message 63612 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 16:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 63610.  

Most of the research here seems to be past tense. That is, they are looking for how much (actually the probabilities that) Global Warming contributed to a flood or drought somewhere 10 years ago. That is all very interesting, and makes for nice research papers, but does not solve any problem that I can see. They may do more forward-looking work, but they are constrained by their data and methodology. I don't know how much they can do, and they have not exactly kept us informed on where they are going, and if they plan to get there before the next ice age rescues us anyway. The politicians don't care about it, since it is not affecting their policies anyway.
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Message 63615 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 18:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 63612.  

Global warming could rescue us from the next ice age....
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Message 63617 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 18:37:55 UTC
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The three most recent batches on Linux are looking at climate in 2066,68 and 72.
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Message 63618 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 18:45:02 UTC - in response to Message 63617.  
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The three most recent batches on Linux are looking at climate in 2066,68 and 72.
Is the server status now working? I see the "to be sent" column looks sensible, but is the "in progress" still out of date?

Also I notice the tail end of my Windows work got no credits, I assume it was too late. My earliest took a week, my latest took 1.5 months. I'll try to remember to manually give it a 1 day deadline next time, since your superiors refuse.
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Message 63621 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 20:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 63618.  

The three most recent batches on Linux are looking at climate in 2066,68 and 72.
Is the server status now working? I see the "to be sent" column looks sensible, but is the "in progress" still out of date?

Also I notice the tail end of my Windows work got no credits, I assume it was too late. My earliest took a week, my latest took 1.5 months. I'll try to remember to manually give it a 1 day deadline next time, since your superiors refuse.


There will be many, "Tasks in progress" that belong to dead computers. The project has said they are not going to have a major clearout of these, even ancient ones. The credit problem is because the script didn't run Wednesday night/Thursday morning as usual. Andy is aware of this as I posted in another thread.

Sadly unless I get my laptop working again, I will be adding to the never to be returned tasks. Screen stopped working but no joy connecting an external monitor either. I will get an hdmi to display port connector to see if that works. (dsub doesn't.)
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Message 63622 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 20:26:51 UTC - in response to Message 63617.  

The three most recent batches on Linux are looking at climate in 2066,68 and 72.

Thanks. I think I saw that. It forms a "baseline" for some purpose. Maybe they can at some point fill us in on that.
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Message 63623 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 20:48:17 UTC

The work here using BOINC is NOT the main focus of research groups looking into climate changes.
It's just an added extra being run by 2 or 3 people from research groups that have gotten interested in it.

ALL the real climate modelling is done on big computers, probably main frames, or whatever has replaced them these days.

And there is a thread elsewhere discussing the lack of credits, which is affecting everyone.
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Message 63624 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 20:50:00 UTC - in response to Message 63622.  

This paper based on tasks run here looks at future as well as past and present.

Worth reading the the thread which lists scientific papers work done from CPDN has contributed to.
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Message 63626 - Posted: 8 Mar 2021, 21:08:10 UTC

No research? There are 12k long running (8-10d/task) tasks waiting to be chewed on... that sounds like plenty of work for me! It's Linux only, but... not a hard problem. Just run a VM if you don't want to or can't run it on the iron (Windows, pure 64-bit OSes, etc).

I just run the CPDN WUs on surplus energy out in my office - it's off-grid, solar powered, paneled for winter, and so I've got a surplus of energy in the summer (during the day, I don't have battery enough for 24/7 workloads). The energy can't go anywhere else once the batteries are full, so I figure there's zero incremental extra cost or emissions to running older boxes on the office power system when I've got enough. Just a bit of a challenge to handle the power management of systems.

I'm not sure how much actual incremental gain the work does (my WUs tend slow, because I only run during the day, with good sun, on most of the systems), but it's more interesting than finding ever larger prime numbers.
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Message 63635 - Posted: 9 Mar 2021, 19:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 63621.  

There will be many, "Tasks in progress" that belong to dead computers. The project has said they are not going to have a major clearout of these, even ancient ones.
Surely they're removed from server status automatically when they're sent as retreads? On this project that could be a year, but still, there seem to be loads.

The credit problem is because the script didn't run Wednesday night/Thursday morning as usual. Andy is aware of this as I posted in another thread.
Ah thanks, it just happened to coincide with my late ones so I assumed they were too late. I'll try to do the next ones faster anyway (as in continuously from when I get them), which does means editing the client state file.

Sadly unless I get my laptop working again, I will be adding to the never to be returned tasks. Screen stopped working but no joy connecting an external monitor either. I will get an hdmi to display port connector to see if that works. (dsub doesn't.)
I've replaced many a laptop screen, you can get 2nd hand ones cheap. But if there's no external signal, maybe it's more serious and that would be a waste of money.
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Message 63636 - Posted: 9 Mar 2021, 19:01:17 UTC - in response to Message 63626.  

No research? There are 12k long running (8-10d/task) tasks waiting to be chewed on... that sounds like plenty of work for me! It's Linux only, but... not a hard problem. Just run a VM if you don't want to or can't run it on the iron (Windows, pure 64-bit OSes, etc).
Ugh, I'm allergic to Linux. There's plenty projects my Windows computers can do natively.
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Message 63638 - Posted: 9 Mar 2021, 22:54:49 UTC

Ah thanks, it just happened to coincide with my late ones so I assumed they were too late. I'll try to do the next ones faster anyway (as in continuously from when I get them), which does means editing the client state file.


You will still get credits even if returned after the long deadline. (Just one of the things I would change if I ruled the world.)
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Message 63639 - Posted: 9 Mar 2021, 23:18:01 UTC - in response to Message 63636.  

Ugh, I'm allergic to Linux. There's plenty projects my Windows computers can do natively.


I mean... OK, but "Nobody is doing anything" is somewhat different from "There is a lot of work to do that I refuse to configure a computer to do."

https://www.cpdn.org/server_status.php

There's something like 400 CPU-years of work queued.
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Message 63641 - Posted: 10 Mar 2021, 4:25:16 UTC - in response to Message 63636.  

No research? There are 12k long-running (8-10d/task) tasks waiting to be chewed on... which sounds like plenty of work for me! It's Linux only, but... not a hard problem. Just run a VM if you don't want to or can't run it on the iron (Windows, pure 64-bit OSes, etc).


Ugh, I'm allergic to Linux. There are plenty of projects my Windows computers can do natively.

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So, what is your role even on Collatz? Empty vessel?
The rest of us like doing what we do. As to the credits, they are not running away. Anyway, who cares here on CPDN.
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Message 63642 - Posted: 10 Mar 2021, 4:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 63639.  

There's something like 400 CPU-years of work queued.[/quote]

Yes, and all of it is set to run only on Os’s that are run by only a tiny minority of the public. Windows is run on about 87% of all the home computers in the World.
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Message 63644 - Posted: 10 Mar 2021, 5:01:28 UTC

If the 3 groups that did work using climate models that were only for Windows, wanted to do that type of research, then that's up to them.
And now they have all disappeared.
And the BOINC work wasn't their main work, just an interesting side line.

It took a lot of work, conferences, meetings, etc, for the Oxford people to get them interested in the first place,
It's sad that seems to have ended, but that doesn't make it the fault of the majority of research centers, who seem to prefer to code in Linux.
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Message 63651 - Posted: 10 Mar 2021, 18:13:53 UTC - in response to Message 63638.  
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Ah thanks, it just happened to coincide with my late ones so I assumed they were too late. I'll try to do the next ones faster anyway (as in continuously from when I get them), which does means editing the client state file.
You will still get credits even if returned after the long deadline. (Just one of the things I would change if I ruled the world.)
I agree they should not be granted. That would also let people know they were too late. I often use credit to see how well I'm doing somewhere. A sudden drop means my computers aren't working right.

So I'm going by the wanting them back in "about a month" that you or another mod mentioned to me a while back.

As for changing the world, I could list 50 things I'd change, but some are unrepeatable in here!
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Message 63652 - Posted: 10 Mar 2021, 18:16:32 UTC - in response to Message 63639.  

Ugh, I'm allergic to Linux. There's plenty projects my Windows computers can do natively.


I mean... OK, but "Nobody is doing anything" is somewhat different from "There is a lot of work to do that I refuse to configure a computer to do."

https://www.cpdn.org/server_status.php

There's something like 400 CPU-years of work queued.
I refuse to use anything but the most popular OS. Projects should be written to use the computers there are most of.
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Message 63653 - Posted: 10 Mar 2021, 18:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 63641.  

No research? There are 12k long-running (8-10d/task) tasks waiting to be chewed on... which sounds like plenty of work for me! It's Linux only, but... not a hard problem. Just run a VM if you don't want to or can't run it on the iron (Windows, pure 64-bit OSes, etc).


Ugh, I'm allergic to Linux. There are plenty of projects my Windows computers can do natively.

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So, what is your role even on Collatz? Empty vessel?
The rest of us like doing what we do. As to the credits, they are not running away. Anyway, who cares here on CPDN.
Not sure what you're getting at with Collatz. Yes, I run it. It might or might not be useful, same as with any project. But I don't agree with the absurd amount of credits he hands out, and I'd like to know why he's ignoring (and deleting posts from) the guy who has come up with a much more efficient program.
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