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Message 60847 - Posted: 23 Aug 2019, 19:21:18 UTC
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The "Preferences for this project" is missing any project options.
https://www.cpdn.org/cpdnboinc/prefs.php?subset=project

Is this a feature or a bug (or only temporary)?
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Message 60848 - Posted: 23 Aug 2019, 20:12:43 UTC - in response to Message 60847.  

Is this a feature or a bug (or only temporary)?


They seem to be there for me.

Not sure if Andy has started to update the BOINC html code which on the testing site has been updated to latest version or not.
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Message 60849 - Posted: 23 Aug 2019, 20:22:07 UTC - in response to Message 60848.  

I think Jim means that you can't choose the model type on that page like you used to. The dev site didn't have those options but I thought that was by design. I hope that those options come back on the main site as some people are going to want to exclude some of the memory heavy apps supposedly coming here. I'll bring it up via e-mail to Andy.
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Message 60850 - Posted: 23 Aug 2019, 20:30:58 UTC - in response to Message 60848.  
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This is all I see:

https://postimg.cc/FfjDhhf8
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Message 60851 - Posted: 23 Aug 2019, 20:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 60849.  

I think Jim means that you can't choose the model type on that page like you used to.

Yes, quite right. I would prefer the memory-heavy ones for one machine, and not for another.
It would be something of a dislocation to not have that option.
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Message 60860 - Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 3:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 60851.  

I think Jim means that you can't choose the model type on that page like you used to.

Yes, quite right. I would prefer the memory-heavy ones for one machine, and not for another.
It would be something of a dislocation to not have that option.


Yes, I certainly agree here. Or for machines that I use on a daily basis.

The thing I really like about this project is that, while WUs take a while to complete, the time limit is more than generous even when running other projects alongside, and so I can use lower powered (relatively speaking) machines without failure to complete. It just seems odd that I can't select less memory intensive projects as that would likely lead to errors.

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Message 60862 - Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 9:12:56 UTC

It just seems odd that I can't select less memory intensive projects as that would likely lead to errors.


The most energy intensive ones that have yet to make it to the main site, won't run on my desktop which only has 4GB of ram. They need about 5 per core to run and you won't be able to download them unless you have enough memory. Though they will run more than one on a machine with only 8GB but very slowly due to disk swapping.
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Message 60863 - Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 13:35:35 UTC - in response to Message 60862.  
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OK, they will work for me since I will have 32 GB of memory, and can add more. But it is not optimum if they do the selection of work, since I will get a mix of big and small ones on that machine. If I do the selection, I can send the big ones to my best machine, and the small ones to a lesser machine.

I get suspicious when projects try to dumb down their operations. Maybe there is a reason for it?
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Message 60864 - Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 14:48:12 UTC - in response to Message 60863.  

I get suspicious when projects try to dumb down their operations. Maybe there is a reason for it?


I don't think this is dumbing down but rather a side effect of upgrading to the latest BOINC html code. I am sure this will be fixed soon.
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Message 60865 - Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 15:26:08 UTC - in response to Message 60864.  

OK, we can wait.
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Message 60866 - Posted: 25 Aug 2019, 21:11:37 UTC

There's been an email in about the lack of choice for a few days, but the real problem is that most of the project people are on ARL.
Plus it's been a weekend in the UK for the last 2 days.
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Message 60867 - Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 1:49:59 UTC - in response to Message 60866.  

Just for reference, the terms at Oxford are:

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/university/student/oxford-term-names
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Message 60868 - Posted: 26 Aug 2019, 6:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 60866.  

Plus it's been a weekend in the UK for the last 2 days.


And today is a public holiday in UK so no chance of anything happening before tomorrow.
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Message 60888 - Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 7:36:33 UTC - in response to Message 60868.  

George has had a reply on this.

Hi George,
This is a feature of the new version of the BOINC code. I will raise this in our next internal meeting on Monday.
Best regards,
Andy


As Andy says, this is due to having, "upgraded" to the new BOINC html code. I imagine other projects will be affected by this too when they upgrade. On the plus side, I noticed that to misquote Theresa May on the server status page, tasks ready to send=0 means tasks ready to send=0.
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Message 60889 - Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 7:43:35 UTC - in response to Message 60888.  

As Andy says, this is due to having, "upgraded" to the new BOINC html code. I imagine other projects will be affected by this too when they upgrade. On the plus side, I noticed that to misquote Theresa May on the server status page, tasks ready to send=0 means tasks ready to send=0.

It would be better if they got that one wrong.
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Message 60890 - Posted: 30 Aug 2019, 9:41:00 UTC - in response to Message 60889.  
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It would be better if they got that one wrong.


Agreed. Pretty sure they will be looking for a way around it. If there isn't a reasonable way, then it will be taken back to the BOINC people.

Edit: George and Les have I think spotted all the major problems on the testing site before it was rolled out here. The testing site never had the option to choose model types for your computer which is why it wasn't spotted. However it is possible there may be some other things that need fixing so if anyone spots them please let us know.
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Message 60917 - Posted: 14 Sep 2019, 12:38:27 UTC

It still does not work now. September 14, 2019.
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Message 60918 - Posted: 14 Sep 2019, 14:25:36 UTC

The way it is shown now, is the way it's going to stay.
The project people are going to do things differently. :(
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Message 60919 - Posted: 14 Sep 2019, 14:34:31 UTC - in response to Message 60918.  

The way it is shown now, is the way it's going to stay.
The project people are going to do things differently. :(

OK, I hope they have some reasonable way of assigning the right work to the right machines.
I will give it a try, and find out.
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Message 60920 - Posted: 14 Sep 2019, 21:10:32 UTC - in response to Message 60919.  

There have been a lot of emails between the moderators and the project people about the changes, both done and missing.

This was one:

We have moved for the moment to a separation of different apps on different platforms, i.e. Weather@Home on Windows and HadCM3, HadAM4 and OpenIFS on Linux and then HadCM3 on Mac. Therefore the choice of which app a user will run now is pretty much dictated by what platform they are running. To move back to a point where we support all apps on all platforms will take significant work and in some cases it is not clear if this actually be possible.

From the point of view of W@H the app now no longer really knows which region of the world that it is running in a manner in which it would be easy to tell BOINC since we have the region independent app.

Therefore it just seems sensible to remove this feature for the moment, or rather not use valuable effort to re-enable at the moment.

David


When I then raised the matter of the big OpenIFS models, there was this:

Hi Les,

Yes I understand this and so will be looking at what are the minimal requirements and setting as appropriate when launching.

David


So they are aware of the issues.
I think that the main thing that crunchers can do, is to pull up their socks, roll up their sleeves, grit their teeth, and, in a lot of cases, get their computers up to acceptable requirements.

It's instructive to occasionally look at the list of users, with no name in the search.
This takes you to the last page, of most recent sign ups.

I've seen a computer with only a gig or so of ram, an Acorn, and a Darwin machine with 16 processors, and only 16 Gigs of ram.
Quite apart from all the obvious spammers. :(
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