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Message 56456 - Posted: 24 Jun 2017, 7:30:59 UTC
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It seems unfortunate that since late 2015, compute contributions to ClimatePrediction.net have not been eligible for GridCoin (a cryptocurrency: https://gridcoin.us/ ) rewards.

Seeing as GridCoin is currently worth a non-trivial amount ( https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gridcoin/ ), although there is no guarantee, perhaps it would be a good idea to re-qualify for GridCoin credits. That's because the GridCoin reward may motivate more individuals to allocate more compute power to CPDN.

Here is the list of currently "Included" (eligible for GridCoin reward) and "Past" (not eligible for GridCoin reward) GridCoin projects: https://www.gridcoinstats.eu/project

Here is the GridCoin homepage: https://gridcoin.us/

Finally, by supporting GridCoin, CPDN would itself be making a small contribution to reducing some of the causes of climate change: For example, the leading cryptocurrency at this time, Bitcoin, uses quite a bit of electrical power ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dxhdh/putting_bitcoins_energy_usage_into_perspective/ ) to do only make-work, whereas GridCoin focuses on . . . projects similar to CPDN.
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Message 56463 - Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 6:21:56 UTC - in response to Message 56456.  

From memory, there are two problems with this. One is the upgrade/switchover of the site so everything is on htpps including the downloads of work units isn't complete yet. The other possible issue is the intermittent nature of the availability of tasks.

My understanding is it is the first of these that is the barrier to climateprediction.net re-joining and the date when the change is finally made may be at the whim of Oxford University rather than in the hands of the project. Certainly in the past year there have been times when the project is down where this has been the case.

While I certainly would not object to earning some grid coin for my crunching, the fact that a lot of the time there are more cores out there looking for work than there are cores to crunch it means only occasionally would the extra crunchers be of benefit to the project. A bigger issue is reliability.
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Message 56538 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 4:13:35 UTC - in response to Message 56463.  

Thanks for the response.

I personally look at CPDN at a different angle. I feel this is a valuable project and having more exposure (through places such as Gridcoin) would do wonders for this research. I've been crunching BOINC projects for over a decade, so the money while nice, has never been the main reason I contribute.

As far as making the whitelist, I believe SSL security with the GRC network is the primary concern. There are projects which previously ran out of work, and were temporarily removed from the whitelist for that time. Projects can always be voted back in when work becomes abundant once again.

I keep reading more articles that describe how poorly this planet is doing.. Hopefully Oxford makes this switch in the near future!
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Message 56539 - Posted: 21 Jul 2017, 13:24:02 UTC - in response to Message 56538.  

Totally agree that the money is not the main issue - if it was, I wouldn't be crunching only this project except when it runs out of work! As it is, I haven't crunched enough of anything on the Gridcoin list to get any coins yet!
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Message 56619 - Posted: 2 Aug 2017, 18:46:57 UTC - in response to Message 56463.  

From memory, there are two problems with this. One is the upgrade/switchover of the site so everything is on htpps including the downloads of work units isn't complete yet. The other possible issue is the intermittent nature of the availability of tasks.

My understanding is it is the first of these that is the barrier to climateprediction.net re-joining and the date when the change is finally made may be at the whim of Oxford University rather than in the hands of the project. Certainly in the past year there have been times when the project is down where this has been the case.

While I certainly would not object to earning some grid coin for my crunching, the fact that a lot of the time there are more cores out there looking for work than there are cores to crunch it means only occasionally would the extra crunchers be of benefit to the project. A bigger issue is reliability.


I believe the main concern for the Gridcoin guys now is simply the speed that the statistics are generally updated; CPDN does this weekly, where most projects do so daily, which may lead to unfair results regarding payment on the Gridcoin end, particularly with the often intermittent number of WUs available one week to the next, or even one day to the next.

If the situation can be resolved so that CPDN returns to daily updates (as it was in the distant past), there's a reasonable number of Gridcoin users prepared to vote to whitelist once again. Seem to recall Team Gridcoin were once the top contributors to this project, and that was before Gridcoin was anywhere near profitable.

As for the SSL stuff, I think the Gridcoin community is happy to see it as a work in progress and so long as the main sections are running smoothly with this, isn't such a big issue as it was 2 years ago.
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Message 56620 - Posted: 2 Aug 2017, 19:21:19 UTC

I believe the main concern for the Gridcoin guys now is simply the speed that the statistics are generally updated; CPDN does this weekly, where most projects do so daily, which may lead to unfair results regarding payment on the Gridcoin end, particularly with the often intermittent number of WUs available one week to the next, or even one day to the next.


The weekly update of statistics has been covered in another thread. Not entirely sure but because of the load on the system recalculating the credit it was suggested it may well be that Oxford Uni, IT people have told the project they have to just run this at weekends. It takes the best part of 24 hours for the credit script to run. (For some time it was running on Mondays.)

With regards to the intermittent nature of the work, there is no prospect of that changing in the near future. If I hear of any of these barriers to being awarded gridcoins for our efforst changing I will post about it as soon as possible.
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Message 56637 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 15:41:58 UTC - in response to Message 56620.  

Yeah we were hearing it's down to the university and not the project also. It's unfortunate but perhaps when they next choose to upgrade things we'll see some progress back towards the daily updates :)
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Message 56902 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 12:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 56637.  

And it seems I am not eligible to vote for CPDN being whitelisted.

Sorry, When voting in a Both Share Type poll, your stake age Or your CPID age must be older than the poll duration.


I think, I need to run enough non cpdn work to get some coins/microcoins before I can start taking part in polls.
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Message 56906 - Posted: 21 Sep 2017, 14:24:29 UTC - in response to Message 56456.  

I seriously doubt that the GridCoin people are going to white list a project that can’t or won’t keep its credits totals up-to-date.
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Message 56912 - Posted: 22 Sep 2017, 9:51:51 UTC - in response to Message 56906.  
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I seriously doubt that the GridCoin people are going to white list a project that can’t or won’t keep its credits totals up-to-date.


I do too, haven't looked into it closely enough to know how much influence the votes actually have on the decisions.

Edit: The website states clearly that it is a community decision, though it looks like only a small percentage of people vote.
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Message 56928 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 7:38:58 UTC - in response to Message 56906.  

Hi folks,

There is a thread about CPDN and Gridcoin criteria for whitelisting projects, where we discussed some of the major issues. Almost all of them were mentioned here:
1. SSL - to be launched eventually
2. Reliable supply - nowadays we see more WUs, but users can simply switch project
3. Up-to-date statistics - for the last 1/2 year even the weekly ones do not run and we have credit gaps as long as few weeks to months.

So my understanding after all the talks at Gridcoin is that until 3 is properly dealt with, there is a slim chance for CPDN making it back to the whitelist. Of course Gridcoin community should also formally agree (i.e. via vote) what are the criteria for whitelisting projects. So far there is an indicative list and the Gridcoin community falls short on making it official. While I personally believe it is about time CPDN fixes the credit script (or write a new one) so it runs smoothly I also believe Gridcoin should do its part to accommodate better non-daily statistics update in their client algorithms. After all Gridcoin claims to support science not the other way round.
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Message 60856 - Posted: 24 Aug 2019, 2:34:49 UTC - in response to Message 56928.  

Any updates? There has been a lot of great progress over at GridCoin lately, with a new whitepaper almost done, and much more.

I run a full GridCoin node and solo "mine" ("crunch") approximately 24x7, and I can attest that the GridCoin system is working well (and certainly, this is not financial advice!)
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Message 60858 - Posted: 24 Aug 2019, 6:28:55 UTC

No.
The project will always be intermittent, due to the nature of the work.
At the moment, Oxford Uni is in between terms, and a lot of staff, including those with an involvement in this project, are on ARL.
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Message 60859 - Posted: 24 Aug 2019, 18:31:01 UTC - in response to Message 60858.  

No.
The project will always be intermittent, due to the nature of the work.
At the moment, Oxford Uni is in between terms, and a lot of staff, including those with an involvement in this project, are on ARL.


And even when all staff are present, it depends on other universities around the world sending stuff to Oxford for them to distribute. This is outside of the control of the Oxford staff and while my subjective view is that the amount of work has increased over the past two years, it certainly hasn't been consistent but rather in a now you see it now you don't pattern.
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Message 63682 - Posted: 12 Mar 2021, 21:14:40 UTC
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Hi, I recently rejoined BOINC after a multi-year pause, and climateprediction was the main reason I did so. I also dug out my GRC wallet from my storage and was looking forward to crunching some climate data in return for GRC, but, I have to say, I am very disappointed that this gridcoin whitelisting issue remains unresolved... Sad. This is, I consider, the single most important research project in the BOINC list, and every effort to attract attention and contribution to it should be undertaken, including allowing people to get GRC rewards for their contributions.
I hope this gets fixed someday.
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Message 63683 - Posted: 12 Mar 2021, 21:24:32 UTC - in response to Message 63682.  

This project will never be suitable for grid coin, as it doesn't have enough work to qualify.
And there hasn't been any WIndows work for a long time.
And if there is any more in the future, then there are tens of thousands of Windows computers waiting for the 3,000 or so work units that will appear.
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Message 63684 - Posted: 12 Mar 2021, 22:00:03 UTC

To add to what Les has said, part of the reason for the erratic nature of work from CPDN is that the project doesn't generate most of the work themselves but those studying climate science around the world use Oxford and the project to send the work out to crunchers. Most of the work is either from PhD students or Post Doc researchers and it comes when they have a need for it.

I agree with you about the importance of the work but sadly not enough people in the right places feel the same to provide a constant supply of work for all platforms. There is not even a guarantee that the current glut of work for Linux machines will last.
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Message 64062 - Posted: 17 Jun 2021, 21:02:10 UTC

I decided to distribute some GRIDCOINS to motivate LINUX power-users and Windows users willing to install WSL2 or VM on their computer to run LINUX WUs every week. As well as it seems far-fetched that climateprediction.net will ever get whitelisted on GRIDCOIN again.

I will do this every time the credit statistics have been up-dated and processed in http://www.boincstats.com.
As I copy and process the data by hand in a LibreOffice spread sheet, I will pay out first only to GRIDCOIN team members until I have figured out how to automate the process (I do not have programming experience) – so any help is welcomed!
As GRIDCOIN allows other teams as well, I will happily include other users, if they answer this forum post with a valid CPID (which has identifiable GRIDCOIN address attached (http://www.gridcoinstats.eu)) or they answer with a small amount and a message to the following GRIDCOIN address:
SJS78tV8MYrXaA8GwszN2bZz6WraaUaREq
(Also donations to this address are welcomed, maybe by side-staking?).
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Message 64081 - Posted: 24 Jun 2021, 15:46:03 UTC

We paid-out some GRIDCOINs to the GRIDCOIN Team members yesterday, this in the quest to motivate more GRIDCOIN users to participate in climateprediction.net.
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Message 64104 - Posted: 2 Jul 2021, 1:26:02 UTC

We paid-out some GRIDCOINs to the GRIDCOIN Team members yesterday, this in the quest to motivate more GRIDCOIN users to participate in climateprediction.net.
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