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Message 27339 - Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 15:42:53 UTC
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Hi.
Please don\'t kill me.

I saw a programme here in the UK about 10 days ago which cast some doubt on the importance of CO2 to global warming. There seemed to be a few non aligned experts supporting the view that sun spot activity over several tens of thousands of years correlated very closely (almost exactly) with global warming. The suggestion being that it is this that is actually behind the earths temperature and not CO2.

In a statistical sense this looked pretty convincing.

Can the scientists here say what they think of this solar activity theory/work and the position those experts took please? They seemed sceptical (indeed critical) of models that varied CO2 emissions because they would always say increased CO2 is bad - I guess the model we use here is in that category so its an important scientific view I seek I think.

Hey and apologies if this question has been asked before.

Thx


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Message 27340 - Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 16:22:13 UTC
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There are extensive discussions about this program on the php board, including links to sites such as RealClimate.org

Basically, it seems that the channel that produced the program, and the producer of the program itself, seem to be anti-climate change, and the program was full of flaws.
One link was to info about the producer, and says that he is a known Marxist, who is trying to destroy the business economy of countries such as the UK (I forget how it was put exactly, but much better than this), by preventing anything being done to stop the effects of global warming, and hence destroy the food supplies, etc.

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Message 27342 - Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 17:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 27340.  

There are extensive discussions about this program on the php board, including links to sites such as RealClimate.org

Basically, it seems that the channel that produced the program, and the producer of the program itself, seem to be anti-climate change, and the program was full of flaws.
One link was to info about the producer, and says that he is a known Marxist, who is trying to destroy the business economy of countries such as the UK (I forget how it was put exactly, but much better than this), by preventing anything being done to stop the effects of global warming, and hence destroy the food supplies, etc.



Ah OK I will take a look.
Interesting about the Marxist reference you passed on there. Hey the programme said the climate change lobby was made up of failed communists who could not prevent the spread of globalisation through politics so they have taken over the green lobby to prevent it through reducing industrialisation to save CO2 outputs! That was the gist at least. Strange world is it not. Thanks for the pointer.

I still hope a scientist comes though to set out the merits of the approach for this project. Should be fascinating.


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Message 27344 - Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 18:00:41 UTC
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Sorry, it\'s the middle of the night here. Couldn\'t sleep, but not thinking clearly either, I guess.
The thread in question was obvious once I\'d had a look. :)
The Great Global Warming Swindle?
It\'s currently up to 5 pages of posts.

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Only the programmers post here, and then only on technical problems with the crunching.
The scientists/researchers post on the php board, occassionally. This is mostly, I think, because the latter keep in contact with \'the sharp end\' via the programmers. Most of the time they\'re analysing data, and writing research papers.
A comment by Dr Myles Allen was / is mentioned in one of the linked articles on the php board.

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