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Message 18501 - Posted: 20 Dec 2005, 22:52:10 UTC - in response to Message 18294.  

While in Sulphur Beta test, we anticipated the necessity of expanded documentation for processing Sulphur Work Units. I started such a page and others added to it and made it better. Crandles honed it and put it in the Wiki. (We don\'t have access to the CPDN FAQ as far as I know.)

Admittedly, it isn\'t \"up front\" and easy to find. It should be. However, I don\'t fault Carl or Tolu. They\'ve been \"drinking from a firehose\" since this project began. ...


No, I certainly don\'t fault Carl or Tolu.

But I do think you should have access to the FAQ, and I do think the FAQ and the introductory comments about the project should be updated now that sulphur has come along.

The poor handling of the documantation issue -- not by yourselves but by whoever decided not to give you access to edit the FAQ -- only strengthens my feeling that it is time to look for another project. Les suggested looking back every so often to see if there are any more \'smaller\' WU - but it is not going to be easy to do that if the intro and the FAQ are still based on slab sized work *regardles* of whther you have any.

I\'m also a little disappointed not to see any \"it\'s been great to have you thanks for all your help\" kind of message to those users who honestly feel they csn\'t run the larger WU. It would not have taken much to make the end of the slabs a celebration for the initial CPDN project, for the slabs which paved the way for sulphur.

I\'ve decided what I am doing: I have aborted some of my sulphurs, and will leave those currently renaining to run to completion. I will leave all my remaining slabs to run but in some cases with a lower project share than before. I\'ve set \'no more work\' on this project on all my boxes. In the short term most of this resource is going to Rosetta -- when orbit comes online at least half is going there.

It\'s great science, slab was and sulphur is. Sulphur needs, in my opinion, more thought about the human aspects of up-sizing the science -- or if the thought has been there it needs more willingness from the project powers to allow it to feed into the website as well as the user forums.

Best regards to everyone, to those who are staying and to others who are moving on to other projects. Happy holiday time and Merry Crunching to all.

River~~




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Message 18506 - Posted: 20 Dec 2005, 23:44:08 UTC

Gravywavy,

Sorry to hear you are leaving, but I knew as I saw you rac going down.
Have asked you to give it some time till there was some response from the core but so far that did not come.

Maybe understaffment is the reason for that. Tolu and Carl are active, Naul is gone or working backoffice. There was was a fund for an other admin, but it does not look like it was ever fullfilled. Instead Hannah left for studies.

On the other hand do we see management changes, Moderators became siteadmins with more powers, thus releaving the admins. Web use is restricted to leave servers running more reliably, etc.

Maybe the BBC Project would suit the needs of slower machine users, but at present no details are leaking out.

Anyway, Thanks.
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Message 18594 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 0:37:27 UTC - in response to Message 18506.  

Gravywavy,
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Maybe understaffment is the reason for that. Tolu and Carl are active, Naul is gone or working backoffice. There was was a fund for an other admin, but it does not look like it was ever fullfilled. Instead Hannah left for studies.
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That does not help, but is not the only issue.

It is clear from your comments that these issues were thought about, but that no access was forthcoming to allow changes to the FAQ, the minimum resources pages, and so on. This is a bureacratic failing to allow those with the knowledge of important changes to communicate them where people are most likely to see them.

It is *shocking* that the climateprediction.net site still links to a page that says an 800MHz box can crunch a WU on 3 months, when in fatc not it is around 9 months. There has been time to document these things on the wiki and in the community pages (whether by staff or by volunteers), all it needed was appropriate permissions to allow the same writers to put the pages onto the central website.




Anyway, Thanks.


Yes, thank you too for all your comments and support.
River~~

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