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21) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW FAMOUS GRAPHICS (Message 40075)
Posted 3 Jul 2010 by Jord
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I was using the built-in Win7 driver, which seems to be fine except for this.

The Windows provided drivers lack the OpenGL bit. Not only because OpenGL is open source (it's in the name) but also because it's a direct competitor to Microsoft's DirectX. The OpenGL part of the drivers is only installed when you install the GPU's manufacturer's drivers.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW FAMOUS GRAPHICS (Message 40057)
Posted 30 Jun 2010 by Jord
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So these are better graphics? Why does this world have all the continents 8 times then? It's 4 at any side of the equator. And all 8 are positioned the same way, with the continents showing south to north when looking up to down. Even those 4 on the south side of the equator show south to north.

There isn't anything about multiplicity in the project preferences.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : 159,333 FAMOUS models cant download any ! (Message 40010)
Posted 24 Jun 2010 by Jord
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The AMD's graphics card isn't usable for crunching. I have an uneasy feeling that the daily quota's going wrong with CPDN's new Boinc server version only for computers with a GPU that's usable on some other projects. This is just a feeling.

I got two separate scheduler requests at this moment. One for the CPU, telling me in answer there was no new work, yet 5 seconds later it downloaded two new models. The other was for the GPU, which reported me the following:

24/06/2010 17:35:32 climateprediction.net Message from server: No work sent
24/06/2010 17:35:32 climateprediction.net Message from server: No work available for the applications you have selected. Please check your preferences on the web site.
24/06/2010 17:35:32 climateprediction.net Message from server: (reached daily quota of 4 tasks)

So I'll think that's the "bad" message saying there's no work for the GPU around here. It won't keep me awake. :)

The daily quota for this machine for CPU is still zero though.

The detach... OK, let's see.
I got all parts for this machine on Tuesday, built it, found that the OS they'd given me to play with the system was Vista 32, so downloaded an official ISO for Windows 7 Pro, burned that and installed it. That was Wednesday and Thursday. Must've installed BOINC on it by Thursday, as that's where the first superfast returns sit at at Einstein (downloaded the 17th).

Saturday I got Windows 7 Ultimate, installed that and found it needed a clean installation, as the language of 7 Pro and Ultimate differed. The BOINC Data directory was at a different partition, so I clean installed Windows, reinstalled all the software including BOINC. And then I found that upon starting BOINC it would start two boinc.exe files and never actually start BOINC. The only way to fix that for me was to remove the BOINC data directory completely and reinstall BOINC clean, start all over.

I never detached as I couldn't get BOINC to start on the "old" tasks again. Yet all, even at Einstein, show client detached. So I can only figure that's it.

Sorry to "pollute" the FAMOUS thread with this, as it's hadmap3 work I am talking about. Someone move it to somewhere more convenient if necessary. :)
(hadamp3's in 3 days...? wow... /me strokes his new system)
24) Message boards : Number crunching : 159,333 FAMOUS models cant download any ! (Message 40003)
Posted 24 Jun 2010 by Jord
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If I understood the Boinc code as well as Richard I'd change my username to Sibyl at Delphi.

Weren't you in Fawlty Towers then? :P

So what is the maximum amount of "tasks" per CPU/day then here? 3? As my brand new system, only in operation since this weekend has zero. ;-)

I can explain the aborting of the one model, I can't explain the detachment.
The aborting was done as I thought that the one running was the one showing client detached. Sorry, I am not used to new "tasks" showing up in the middle or at the bottom of any page, I usually expect them at the top of the page.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Server upgrade issues (Message 39868)
Posted 5 Jun 2010 by Jord
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Edit: Slab upload speeds were normal.

I saw the 28MB file of my new Hadam3p come in at a blistering 78KB/sec... not fast in my opinion. :-)
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Server upgrade issues (Message 39854)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Jord
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Is this a problem on my computer or is it a server problem? Why are my communication with the server deferred for nearly a day? By that time I will have several trickles backed up.

It's a server problem, the database has been down a couple of times. Without database, you can't trickle up. But that doesn't matter, BOINC will try and try again until it can. Even if it has to send multiple trickles in one burst, that's fine.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Server upgrade issues (Message 39853)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Jord
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I'll be looking into all the points raised here as soon as possible, but there are still quite a few things to deal with and so they might not get done immediately.

I agree that we'll have to see how the credit runs go overnight.

It would seem the credit run didn't fix it.
I uploaded & reported last night, just before the credit run and have been and still am at Completed, can't validate. Now that model also sits at "Too many errors (may have bug) Too many total results" while all the ones that were finished before were finished correctly.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Server upgrade issues (Message 39839)
Posted 3 Jun 2010 by Jord
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Tried to update my preferences, more specifically to change from Hadsm3 to Hadam3p and was met by the following answer:

Notice: Undefined index: hadsm3 in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc  on line 393

Notice: Undefined index: hadcm3 in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 394

Notice: Undefined index: hadam3 in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 395

Notice: Undefined index: hadsm3mh in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 396

Notice: Undefined index: famous in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 398

Notice: Undefined variable: retval in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc on line 400

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/project/project_specific_prefs.inc:393) in /var/www/boinc/projects/cpdnboinc/html/user/prefs_edit.php on line 96


The changes did take though.
29) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Using GPUs for number crunching (Message 36647)
Posted 8 Apr 2009 by Jord
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Telling that CPDN is Fortran code and thus porting it over to C isn\'t feasible isn\'t an issue anymore as future versions of CUDA will support FORTRAN, C++ and OpenCL.

The bigger problem is that the code doesn\'t actually run on the GPU, the program will always run on the CPU as that\'s the main processor. The GPU is only a coprocessor, the operating system doesn\'t know about it, so it\'s impossible to move programs to it and start them in the GPU\'s memory.

The other problem is that the code run on the GPU isn\'t the same code that runs on the CPU. GPUs run the code as kernels, with one kernel for every multiprocessor on the GPU. So for each kernel you have to have x amount of memory. Which easily translates as 4 to 6 times the amount of memory that\'s needed to run the code on the GPU when compared to running it on the CPU.

For comparisons, if the CPDN application on the CPU runs in 500MB of RAM, it can take up 2 to 3GB of VRAM on the GPU. But by the time that CUDA X will support FORTRAN, C++ and OpenCL the videocards that are supporting that standard will probably be 8GB monsters. ;-)
30) Questions and Answers : Windows : upgrade to boinc 6.2.16 (Message 34679)
Posted 18 Aug 2008 by Jord
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OK, I\'ve got the answer for BOINC V6:

My question:
Shutting down the new BOINC is documented, but how does one restart it without a re-boot?

The reply:
You can\'t. Due to the new accounts made for BOINC, Windows needs to reboot in order for those accounts to become active. Without it BOINC won\'t run.

Ah, I finally get this one... The reboot is only needed when you upgrade for the first time from BOINC 5 to BOINC 6. After that, use the methods MSeery is saying that can be used.

When I read Les his request elsewhere, I thought it was to do with the upgrade from 5 to 6. My mistake at the false answer, sorry. :-)
31) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34122)
Posted 22 Jun 2008 by Jord
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What is a \"disk fan\"??

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/13 for the explanation.
http://www.xoxide.com/hardrivcool1.html for some examples.

I don\'t like doing that, because it leaves an opening for insects and vermin to invade the case, but there aren\'t enough of either in this room to warrant much concern.

Don\'t worry, they\'ll get in anyway... as does the cat hair here. Unless your PC lives in a clean room (like where they actually make the CPU wafers), there\'s not much you can do about that. Well, besides clean the inside regularly.

SO, after all that I\'ve told you, do you have an idea why the BOINC/HadCM3 \"graphics\" are displayed in the manner that I described?

I\'ve given all ideas I had; had it been an actual video card, the addition would be to reseat it. If you have an actual extra video card (AGP or PCI) and don\'t mind the testing, you could add it and see if that works better.

I\'ve never been one for on-board video. Used it, despised it, quickly got myself a new external video card that solved all of my problems.

32) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34111)
Posted 20 Jun 2008 by Jord
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It\'s quite easy to circumvent that, by downloading the full multilingual redistribution version. I always keep a link to it in this FAQ (last link).
I could not find a link on that page to anything pertaining to Firefox.

I was talking about the link to the DirectX 9.0c latest (June 2008) update.
Only giving an easy link to the download of the (full) DirectX package, which doesn\'t need genuine advantage checking and more of those difficult things. (Besides, if you really don\'t like to jump all those hoops, use IE for downloads like that and you won\'t get all the trouble)

.... Only if you can find [a graphics card] that still has an AGP connector. We hunted one down lately and it\'s mainly PCIe that\'s out there. But the mainboard has an AGP 3.0 slot, so any of the latest ones should work. If your PSU can take it...
Apparently, the graphics subsystem is even more obsolete than I thought it might be. How did you find out that the mainboard has a version 3.0 AGP slot?

Cause I know my way around the Asus site: Link to your motherboard.

It\'s not the Power Supply Unit that I would worry about, it\'s the heat produced by the adapter. During frequent and rapid disk accesses by a program such as Power Disk 2008 or Norton Antivirus, heat buildup threatens the hard drive, but there doesn\'t seem to be much that I can do about it.

Never heard of fans? Disk fans, Case fans, Table fans, Floor fans, build the motherboard inside the A/C unit? ;-)
33) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34105)
Posted 19 Jun 2008 by Jord
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By the way, Thyme Lawn implies that the graphics subsystem needs to support only OpenGL version 1.2 for output from BOINC (?) -- has his post become outdated?
No, it\'s the version of OpenGL that they made their graphics application with, so it\'s still correct.

(You don\'t want to know the routine that they put me through for running Firefox when I went to their website -- ooops!)
It\'s quite easy to circumvent that, by downloading the full multilingual redistribution version. I always keep a link to it in this FAQ (last link).

LCD
You forgot to say what LCD stands for. Liquid Crystal Display, if anyone\'s wondering. ;-)

Windows XP with SP2 and SP3.
So which one is it? SP2 or SP3?
I\'ve read that SP3 adds the \'dislike\' to the OS that programs no longer can write actively to the \\program files\\ directory. Like Vista doesn\'t like this.

This could account for your sudden DLL initialization error messaging. Although this error does (in a way) replace the old message, it\'s not the only one to do so. I\'ve tried to diagnose it here, but it\'s still an ongoing investigation. One omission in there is that it also happens when the drive powers down and on laptops running on batteries.

If you will pay for it, then I will gladly install the most recent nVidia \"graphics adapter\", with the maximum amount of its own memory on the \"card\", in the AGP slot -- if the latest and greatest from nVidia would run optimally in such an ancient attachment (two PCI slots are also available). But I don\'t know whether the rest of the mainboard could actually support such a marvelous device. :-) :-)
Only if you can find one that still has an AGP connector. We hunted one down lately and it\'s mainly PCIe that\'s out there. But the mainboard has an AGP 3.0 slot, so any of the latest ones should work. If your PSU can take it...

At least putting in an AGP card could free up the speed of your memory, depending on what speed you actually have in there. If it\'s DDR400 you have in there, it\'s running at max DDR333 due to you using the integrated video.

Anyway, that\'s peanuts. An external video card will always run faster than the integrated one, as an external card will not use the CPU as much (still use it to transfer graphics maps to the card\'s memory). The integrated video will depend heavily on the PC\'s CPU to do this. Especially those older ones.
34) Questions and Answers : Windows : Can Someone help me get back to where I was? (Message 32941)
Posted 13 Mar 2008 by Jord
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The error code for both of your failed models is: exit code 1073807364 (0x40010004)
Codes stating with 107 are Windows \"stop\" errors, (there\'s 4 or 5 of these, with the last few numbers being different), and, as Mike said, can be associated with a graphics problem.

On Windows Vista these errors also occur if you shut down Windows/reboot without exiting BOINC first. Vista\'s fast shutdown mode ignores any programs still running, doesn\'t allow them to write any state to disk and corrupts them.

See this BOINC FAQ for workarounds.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Any Beta Work? (Message 32775)
Posted 28 Feb 2008 by Jord
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Of course I don\'t know how extensively you\'ve done beta work on other projects, but here at CPDN you really have to work intensively together with the developers, not be afraid to run one model quickly on your computer, abort it when needed etc.

The models that are run there are being tested with new science applications, mainly to see if the information they return is the same as those done on the normal project here. So anything you think is out of order needs to be reported to the forums.

No prior experience with CPDN is needed, just read the forums and follow the lead of the others. And ask if you don\'t understand something, but that goes without saying. ;-)
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Any Beta Work? (Message 32772)
Posted 28 Feb 2008 by Jord
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Yup.

On the separate site at http://cpdnbeta.oerc.ox.ac.uk/
Do read the forums intensively.
37) Questions and Answers : Windows : Model resets when restarting on Vista (Message 29168)
Posted 5 Jun 2007 by Jord
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Did you move it to another directory than C:\\Program Files\\BOINC ?
Try moving it away from the Program Files directory as programs aren\'t always allowed to write to that directory in Vista.

So move BOINC to C:\\BOINC and see how it goes then.
38) Questions and Answers : Preferences : No trickle yet. After a model year. (Message 29077)
Posted 30 May 2007 by Jord
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See http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/result.php?resultid=6552892. You have uploaded a trickle without problems. (click the Trickle link, or just scroll to the bottom)
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Network suspended (Message 29037)
Posted 28 May 2007 by Jord
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If I am not mistaken, uploads will time out after 2 weeks.
But are trickles uploads?
40) Questions and Answers : Getting started : Cross Project ID Issues (Message 29031)
Posted 28 May 2007 by Jord
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Do know that BOINCStats has another quirk. If you use different nicknames around the projects, your CPID changes and just looking for your name by typing in that name and leaving the \"exact match\" option on won\'t find your statistics.


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