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1) Questions and Answers : Windows : hadcm3transse_5.44_windows_intelx86 (Message 34246)
Posted 9 Jul 2008 by old_user470806
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According to the Sunbelt Personal Firewall \"Application Behavior Module\" that runs on my computer, ordinarily, when I tell it to run BOINC, the \"BOINC client\" is launched by Windows Explorer and starts running, then the \"BOINC client\" launches the executable hadcm3trans_5.44_windows_intelx86 and it starts. That executable then launches hadcm3transum_5.44_windows_intelx86 and it runs. The same events happen when the software exits (i.e., as logged by the firewall), except that the BOINC client remains and restarts the first climate model executable.

However, two days ago, while it was itself already loaded and running, hadcm3trans_5.44_windows_intelx86 launched a program that I\'ve never seen run before: hadcm3transse_5.44_windows_intelx86. It launched the program six times during the course of thirty seconds and the program was reported as \"starting\" after each launch. I don\'t know whether it remained in memory after the last logged start.

These events were recorded in the \"Behavior Log\" that is created and maintained by the firewall. No report of the execution of hadcm3transse_5.44_windows_intelx86 was made in the BOINC message file, probably because it did not launch the program. BOINC simply reports \"Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544\" and does not identify the climate model executable explicitly.

Do you know why hadcm3transse_5.44_windows_intelx86 was executed?
2) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34127)
Posted 23 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
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What is a \"disk fan\"??

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/13 for the explanation.
http://www.xoxide.com/hardrivcool1.html for some examples.


Thanks for the links. I don\'t have a separate video adapter to install in order to see whether the BOINC graphics will display as they should with it. BOINC is the first program with which I have encountered a display problem that I cannot resolve. Most of the games that I have played are about the same vintage as the computer. I have rarely encountered a problem with them, and none with any \"office software\". If I were to run more recent games, and/or more recent versions of the older games, then I would not be surprised if the graphics capabilities of the system would need an upgrade.

At five years of age, though, I probably should consider buying a wholly new computer instead. Whether I would buy one with integrated graphics, I don\'t know. The latest and greatest graphics adapters tend to cost as much as an entire desktop computer system bought new. If past experience is any guide, new, reasonably affordable computers are usually offered with a graphics system that is somewhere behind the bleeding edge (and soon will be even further behind, approaching obsolete). One with the most recent graphics capabilities could easily double the price of the system. Vendors also tend to offer too little DRAM and want to increase the price significantly for what I\'m likely to prefer, if not need. Dunno whether I want to go through all of the work that I would have to do in order to build a system myself. I might have a much better machine once it is done, but it would also probably be too expensive to afford.

I have decided to close this thread, because my original concern with the multiple trickles within a short time-span has been addressed. Thank-you for all the work that you do for this project.
3) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34121)
Posted 22 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
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NOTE: THE TEXT OF EACH CHECKPOINT MESSAGE (EXCEPT THE TIME-STAMP) HAS BEEN DELETED, AND REPLACED WITH THE NUMBER OF MINUTES THAT PASSED BEFORE THE CHECKPOINT WAS REACHED SINCE THE OCCURRENCE OF EITHER THE PRECEDING CHECKPOINT, OR OF THE PRECEDING INITIALIZATION ERROR. THE SECONDS FOR EACH TIME VALUE ARE IGNORED IN CALCULATING THE NUMBER OF MINUTES.

6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for windows_intelx86
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops, checkpoint_debug
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Libraries: libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ [x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1]
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Processor features: fpu tsc sse 3dnow mmx
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Memory: 1.87 GB physical, 2.23 GB virtual
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Disk: 57.26 GB total, 12.59 GB free
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 753323; location: (none); project prefs: default
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 18-Sep-2007 17:32:13)
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Host location: none
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||General prefs: using your defaults
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Reading preferences override file
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 743.75MB
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 998.07MB
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Preferences limit disk usage to 7.94GB
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 is 149.05 days overdue.
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM|climateprediction.net|You may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.
6/19/2008 11:55:11 PM||Running CPU benchmarks
6/19/2008 11:55:42 PM||Benchmark results:
6/19/2008 11:55:42 PM|| Number of CPUs: 1
6/19/2008 11:55:42 PM|| 1874 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
6/19/2008 11:55:42 PM|| 3128 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
6/19/2008 11:55:43 PM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/20/2008 12:25:06 AM| 30 min.
6/20/2008 12:54:56 AM| 29 min.
6/20/2008 1:23:47 AM| 29 min.
6/20/2008 1:52:01 AM| 29 min.
6/20/2008 2:21:59 AM| 29 min.
6/20/2008 2:52:17 AM| 31 min.
6/20/2008 3:30:15 AM| 38 min.
6/20/2008 4:22:57 AM| 52 min. - initialization error occurs 5 minutes after this checkpoint

6/20/2008 4:27:54 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/20/2008 4:27:54 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/20/2008 4:27:54 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/20/2008 5:17:34 AM| 50 min.
6/20/2008 5:45:27 AM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 6:13:25 AM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 6:40:42 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 7:07:59 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 7:35:13 AM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 8:02:25 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 8:29:38 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 8:56:46 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 9:23:56 AM| 27 min. - initialization error occurs 3 minutes after this checkpoint

6/20/2008 9:26:45 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/20/2008 9:26:45 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/20/2008 9:26:45 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

.....................| 10 min. after initialization error, BOINC sends scheduler request

6/20/2008 9:36:53 AM|climateprediction.net|Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
6/20/2008 9:36:58 AM|climateprediction.net|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

6/20/2008 9:54:16 AM| 28 min. (add 10 min. after preceding initialization error)
6/20/2008 10:21:25 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 10:48:33 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 11:15:38 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 11:42:42 AM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 12:09:50 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 12:36:47 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 1:03:51 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 1:30:54 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 1:57:55 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 2:25:01 PM| 28 min. - initialization error occurs within 30 seconds after this checkpoint

6/20/2008 2:25:32 PM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/20/2008 2:25:32 PM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/20/2008 2:25:32 PM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/20/2008 2:52:40 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 3:19:48 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 3:47:01 PM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 4:16:55 PM| 29 min.
6/20/2008 4:44:04 PM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 5:11:16 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 5:38:24 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 6:05:37 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 6:32:52 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 7:00:02 PM| 28 min.

6/20/2008 7:24:21 PM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/20/2008 7:24:21 PM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/20/2008 7:24:21 PM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/20/2008 7:51:35 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 8:18:46 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 8:45:57 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 9:13:08 PM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 9:40:17 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 10:07:23 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 10:34:33 PM| 27 min.
6/20/2008 11:02:43 PM| 28 min.
6/20/2008 11:31:21 PM| 29 min.
6/20/2008 11:58:56 PM| 27 min. - initialization error occurs 25 minutes after this checkpoint

6/21/2008 12:23:08 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/21/2008 12:23:08 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/21/2008 12:23:08 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/21/2008 12:50:59 AM| 27 min.
6/21/2008 1:19:07 AM| 29 min.
6/21/2008 1:48:07 AM| 29 min.
6/21/2008 2:17:03 AM| 29 min.
6/21/2008 2:46:15 AM| 29 min.
6/21/2008 3:16:34 AM| 30 min.
6/21/2008 3:59:50 AM| 43 min.
6/21/2008 4:49:50 AM| 50 min. - initialization error occurs 32 minutes after this checkpoint

6/21/2008 5:21:58 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/21/2008 5:21:58 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/21/2008 5:21:59 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/21/2008 5:31:41 AM||Suspending computation - user request

===================== END OF FILE ==========================
4) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34120)
Posted 22 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
It\'s not the Power Supply Unit that I would worry about, it\'s the heat produced by the adapter. During frequent and rapid disk accesses by a program such as Power Disk 2008 or Norton Antivirus, heat buildup threatens the hard drive, but there doesn\'t seem to be much that I can do about it.
Never heard of fans? Disk fans, Case fans, Table fans, Floor fans, build the motherboard inside the A/C unit? ;-)


What is a \"disk fan\"?? The system currently has 1 PSU fan, 1 CPU fan & heat sink, and 2 \"chassis\" fans mounted on the case. There isn\'t a way to mount another fan on the case, except to take a side panel to a workshop and drill the holes for mounting one. I doubt that there is an unused power connection for such a fan, but I might be able to rig an extension from the lines that are used now by the large chassis fan, i.e., if they don\'t draw too much power together. The A/C units for my apartment are too small to contain the motherboard. :-)

Currently, I remove one side panel of the case (which allows access to the mainboard and all other components), turn it around, and prop it at an angle against the case with the 72 mm fan pointing toward the storage drive bays. So that fan blows relatively cool air from the room into the bays and into the case in general; the air can leave through the triangular opening created by propping the panel against the case. I don\'t like doing that, because it leaves an opening for insects and vermin to invade the case, but there aren\'t enough of either in this room to warrant much concern.

SO, after all that I\'ve told you, do you have an idea why the BOINC/HadCM3 \"graphics\" are displayed in the manner that I described?

By the way, while the graphics are displayed, pressing the \"8\" key has no result, but pressing \"F8\" converts the globe into a rectangular map with what is apparently a Mercator projection (the continents and islands are still outlined in white on a black background with no other colors on the map). A long horizontal temperature scale that has colors is displayed above the map. Pressing \"F8\" again returns to the globe.
5) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34110)
Posted 20 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
The messages produced by yesterday\'s run do not show a significant impact of the \"DLL initialization error\" event, even when it occurred twice. The only apparent loss is interruption of the computation for the current week, which was characteristic of the previously output message \"Task ... exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file\". The amount of clock time that is required to compute to the next checkpoint after a checkpoint, or after the \"DLL initialization error\" event, appears to be 27 minutes.

6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for windows_intelx86
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops, checkpoint_debug
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Libraries: libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ [x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1]
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Processor features: fpu tsc sse 3dnow mmx
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Memory: 1.87 GB physical, 2.23 GB virtual
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Disk: 57.26 GB total, 13.13 GB free
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 753323; location: (none); project prefs: default
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 18-Sep-2007 17:32:13)
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Host location: none
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||General prefs: using your defaults
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Reading preferences override file
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 743.75MB
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 998.07MB
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM||Preferences limit disk usage to 8.48GB
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 is 148.31 days overdue.
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM|climateprediction.net|You may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.
6/19/2008 6:16:35 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/19/2008 6:17:54 AM||Suspending computation - user request (TO BACK-UP THE FILES)
6/19/2008 6:19:14 AM||Resuming computation

6/19/2008 6:46:04 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 7:13:19 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 7:40:31 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed

6/19/2008 7:56:25 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/19/2008 7:56:25 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/19/2008 7:56:25 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/19/2008 8:23:38 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 8:50:48 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 9:18:02 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 9:45:09 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 10:12:18 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 10:39:26 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 11:06:39 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 11:33:45 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 12:00:53 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 12:28:01 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 12:55:02 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed

6/19/2008 12:55:16 PM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/19/2008 12:55:16 PM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/19/2008 12:55:17 PM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/19/2008 1:22:23 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 1:49:32 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 2:16:41 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 2:43:54 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 3:10:59 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/19/2008 3:38:09 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed

If the consequence shown by the date and time stamps for the messages above was always the only apparent effect of the \"DLL initialization error\" event, then it would, I suppose, be tolerable. Now the question arises as to why the event apparently has such a drastic influence on the model\'s computation on some occasions and scarcely any influence on other occasions.

Does anyone know whether the \"DLL initialization error\" message is in fact output because a .DLL executable has failed initialization when it was loaded?? If it is output for any other reason, then something is seriously flawed in the software, if I may say so.
6) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34109)
Posted 20 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
(You don\'t want to know the routine that they put me through for running Firefox when I went to their website -- ooops!)
It\'s quite easy to circumvent that, by downloading the full multilingual redistribution version. I always keep a link to it in this FAQ (last link).
I could not find a link on that page to anything pertaining to Firefox.

Windows XP with SP2 and SP3.
So which one is it? SP2 or SP3?
Both service packs were installed, SP2 first, then SP3, but I was wrong because the BOINC message pertaining to the operating system says \"OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)\" As far as I know, Service Pack 3 won\'t install if it doesn\'t find Service Pack 2.

I\'ve read that SP3 adds the \'dislike\' to the OS that programs no longer can write actively to the \\program files\\ directory. Like Vista doesn\'t like this.
My father once told me that if I believed about half of everything that I read and even less of what I hear, I will be a wise man. ;-)

I know nothing as to whether Vista allows a program to write (\"actively\" -?-) to the \\Program Files\\ directory. In my experience so far, Windows XP SP3 has not stopped any program from writing a file to C:\\Program Files\\ and I haven\'t found that any such files have been mangled. For example, I play Free Cell Pro, which records each move that I make in a text file that is stored in C:\\Program Files\\Free Cell Pro\\. The firewall program stores its log files in a subdirectory of C:\\Program Files\\Sunbelt Software\\Personal Firewall\\ and I\'ve not observed any anomalies.

If such a \"dislike\" has been implemented, then it should be documented in the Microsoft Knowledge Base article that accompanied the release of SP3. It would not surprise me if Microsoft preferred that all \"output data files\" be stored in a subdirectory of the currently logged-in user\'s \"account\" as a \"security policy\". For Windows XP that would be, for example, C:\\Documents and Settings\\Windows User\\Application Data\\. How MS would enforce such a policy, I would not know. When two or more users need access to the same document, then where would it be stored? (rhetorical question)

This could account for your sudden DLL initialization error messaging. Although this error does (in a way) replace the old message, it\'s not the only one to do so. I\'ve tried to diagnose it here, but it\'s still an ongoing investigation. One omission in there is that it also happens when the drive powers down and on laptops running on batteries.


The \"DLL initialization error\" messages began showing up immediately after I upgraded to BOINC 5.10.30 a few months ago --i.e., they are not a recent or \"sudden\" occurrence that would have anything to do with installing Windows XP SP3. One flaw in the message is that it does not disclose which .DLL file was loaded and failed to \"initialize\". If it is always the same file, then there is probably a flaw in the file, not in the operating system.

.... Only if you can find [a graphics card] that still has an AGP connector. We hunted one down lately and it\'s mainly PCIe that\'s out there. But the mainboard has an AGP 3.0 slot, so any of the latest ones should work. If your PSU can take it...
Apparently, the graphics subsystem is even more obsolete than I thought it might be. How did you find out that the mainboard has a version 3.0 AGP slot? The mainboard manual doesn\'t mention a version number for the AGP slot, but it says that the PCI slots are version 2.2 and the USB ports are version 2.0. I don\'t know anything (yet) about PCIe slots.

It\'s not the Power Supply Unit that I would worry about, it\'s the heat produced by the adapter. During frequent and rapid disk accesses by a program such as Power Disk 2008 or Norton Antivirus, heat buildup threatens the hard drive, but there doesn\'t seem to be much that I can do about it.

At least putting in an AGP card could free up the speed of your memory, depending on what speed you actually have in there. If it\'s DDR400 you have in there, it\'s running at max DDR333 due to you using the integrated video.
The memory has a speed of 333 MHz and data rate of PC2700.

CU Later.
7) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34103)
Posted 19 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
Jorden (Ageless) who\'s a moderator on the boinc_dev forum read this thread yesterday and said to the CPDN mods:

He says he updated his chipset drivers, but he doesn\'t say if he also updated his video card drivers. He mentions nothing about his video card, but for that it has \"some powerful graphics display capabilities\", which could mean anything.

A lot of the embedded video chips have problems with OpenGL graphics, as the on-board GPU uses the CPU and main memory. Asking him if he has a separate video card or that he uses on-board video is a pre. As is asking if he ever updated his video card drivers and DirectX version.

The default Windows drivers for a lot of video cards and embedded chips do not support full OpenGL compatibility. Some do partially, some don\'t at all, while the card or chip is capable of doing it.


There are three (or four) things to consider here:

(1) The Asus A7N8X-VM mainboard has an Integrated GeForce4 MX GPU, among many other features that are usually implemented with a \"card\" or \"adapter\", such as the built-in Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC). As far as I can determine, when I update the nForce2 chipset drivers, the drivers for the sub-components are updated, i.e., the \"chipset drivers\" are drivers for the various sub-components. The mainboard BIOS was updated when the vendor assembled the computer almost five years ago, and I have verified the version as the most recent. I subsequently updated the nForceware drivers twice, to version 93.71, and that is still the most recent. I have allotted the maximum of 128 MB of DRAM for the \"Video Frame Buffer\" (with 2 GB of DDR DRAM installed, why not?).

(2) The OpenGL Extensions Viewer 3.0 verified that the integrated GPU driver is the most recent (10/22/2006 ver. 6.14.10.9371), actually more recent than in their database of drivers. It also says that the graphics subsystem supports 100% of all \"core features\" of OpenGL up to and including version 1.5, and five of the ten core features of version 2.0. Apparently, there are many other aspects of OpenGL that the subsystem does or doesn\'t support, but I\'d rather not include the list here, since I can\'t copy it to the Windows clipboard. By the way, Thyme Lawn implies that the graphics subsystem needs to support only OpenGL version 1.2 for output from BOINC (?) -- has his post become outdated?

I have updated the Direct X drivers from version 9.0 to 9.0c, the most recent available from the Microsoft website -- the rigors of Windows Genuine Advantage notwithstanding. (You don\'t want to know the routine that they put me through for running Firefox when I went to their website -- ooops!) Furthermore, from the beginning, every version of Microsoft .NET has been installed on my computer and maintained on each and every Patch Tuesday. As far as I know, the OpenGL Extensions Viewer is the only application that I\'ve run which actually requires .NET (version 2.0).

(3) Also be advised that the display monitor is a Hewlett Packard w1907 Nineteen-Inch Wide LCD Display which currently receives \"VGA\" output from the mainboard. The mainboard Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP) also supports Digital Visual Interface (DVI) cards \"for digital display on LCD monitors and projectors\"; the w1907 could process that, of course. According to an HP Driver Installer Program that I downloaded, the driver that has been installed since I bought the HP w1907 monitor is the most recent.

Last, but not least, as disclosed in the BOINC messages that I\'ve posted, my computer is running Windows XP with SP2 and SP3. Yes, I\'ve heard that computers with AMD CPU chips have problems with SP3, but mine hasn\'t shown any, and the description that I gave for the BOINC graphics output has been the case since I began running the climate model last September.

If you will pay for it, then I will gladly install the most recent nVidia \"graphics adapter\", with the maximum amount of its own memory on the \"card\", in the AGP slot -- if the latest and greatest from nVidia would run optimally in such an ancient attachment (two PCI slots are also available). But I don\'t know whether the rest of the mainboard could actually support such a marvelous device. :-) :-)

If you want to test whether your computer can display the graphics of another project whose tasks have them, you could try crunching a small number of Seti tasks. Seti has some short tasks. ....


Thank-you for the information and advice. I must admit that trying to get BOINC to properly display its \"graphics\" on my computer system is not the highest priority right now. I\'ve spent more than enough time and effort on the matter already. .... I prefer to focus upon whether the data that the climate model outputs and sends to the CPDN is valid, and upon completing computation for the model\'s 80-year span as quickly as possible.
8) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34101)
Posted 19 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
mo.v:

Thank-you for your analysis.

You have a problematic model here. But your graph looks fine. So far the model has recovered from its loops and progressed. But if it crashes after failing to progress after looping 6 times, just let it go and don\'t restore it. In fact if I were you I\'d stop spending time on making backups of this model.

Stardance said
Since I began running version 5.10.45, there has been only one run of about eight hours in which that error did not occur at all.


My statement is true. However, from reviewing the messages that I\'ve posted on this board, the \"DLL initialization error\" first occurred with version 5.10.30 (upgraded from 5.10.28). The prior versions that I ran produced a \"Task ... exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file.\" error message that ceased to be output with version 5.10.30 --please see Message #34100 on this thread. I did not attempt to analyze the effects of the change at the time (whether I had the time to make the effort).

That said, evidently whatever causes the \"DLL initialization error\" to occur has a much worse effect on resuming computation by the model than was evident with the \"Task ... exited\" error. When the \"Task ... exited\" error occurred, after it was restarted, the model would simply return to the most recent checkpoint and proceed with relatively little loss of time. See:
http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=5773#30654

In contrast, before the \"DLL initialization error\" occurs, each checkpoint requires 27 - 33 minutes computation on my computer. That is the same amount of time both before and after the \"Task ... exited\" error occurred, but it is not the same amount of time for each checkpoint after the \"DLL initialization error\" occurs. As shown in the following messages for yesterday\'s run, after the \"DLL initialization error\" occurs, all checkpoints require more time -- about 50 minutes -- probably because of the \"looping\" shown in the percentage data that I posted on this thread.

6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for windows_intelx86
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops, checkpoint_debug
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Libraries: libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ [x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1]
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Processor features: fpu tsc sse 3dnow mmx
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Memory: 1.94 GB physical, 2.29 GB virtual
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Disk: 57.26 GB total, 13.65 GB free
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 753323; location: (none); project prefs: default
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 18-Sep-2007 17:32:13)
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Host location: none
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||General prefs: using your defaults
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Reading preferences override file
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 768.55MB
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 1031.35MB
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM||Preferences limit disk usage to 8.99GB
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 is 146.94 days overdue.
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM|climateprediction.net|You may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.
6/17/2008 9:22:49 PM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/17/2008 9:51:43 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/17/2008 10:20:21 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/17/2008 10:51:46 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/17/2008 11:20:35 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/17/2008 11:50:55 PM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/18/2008 12:23:22 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/18/2008 12:50:56 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/18/2008 1:19:08 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/18/2008 1:47:53 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed

6/18/2008 1:55:08 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/18/2008 1:55:08 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/18/2008 1:55:08 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

6/18/2008 2:45:47 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/18/2008 3:37:25 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed
6/18/2008 4:28:51 AM|climateprediction.net|[checkpoint_debug] result hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 checkpointed

6/18/2008 5:03:26 AM||Suspending computation - user request

------------------------------------------------------------

So, now I\'m waiting to see what happens when two or more of the \"DLL initialization\" errors occur.

Your recommendation to continue running the model, and not restore it if the model reports that computation cannot continue, has merit. It seems likely to me that computation could continue until the end of the last year and a final data file could be produced, but it is going to be a slow crawl.

I don\'t know whether it would be a good idea to return to BOINC/HadCM3 version 5.10.28 just to speed things up and to see whether the model will loop as much with it instead of the versions since. I don\'t know what modifications were made that would make version 5.10.30 and/or 5.10.45 preferable.
9) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34100)
Posted 19 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
Thanks for explaining why, at the start of the run, the model immediately dropped to a previous point and recalculated from it.

... (the DLL initialization error) This is the replacement (BOINC) message for: Result ...... exited with zero status but no \'finished\' file.
I forget at what BOINC version this message changed, but there\'s some notes about the \'original\' here.


The \"DLL initialization error\" message first appeared in version 5.10.30 and the error message Task ... exited with zero status but no finished file, which had occurred with all previous versions that I used, ceased to appear. See http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=5948#32080

Granted, I remarked, at the end of that thread, that it seemed to \"replace\" the \"Task ... exited\" message, but only because one error stopped appearing only to have another error appear. I don\'t know whether both of the respective messages are related to the same operational condition that causes computation of the model to cease and the software to exit.

Upon my recent examination, continuing the computation of the model is affected far more severely when the \"DLL initialization error\" occurs than it was with the \"Task ... exited\" error condition. (Please refer to my reply to mo.v\'s response to my posting of the percentage data on this thread.)

FWIW, I am all too familiar with the \"Task ... exited\" error message. My computer has an nVidia nForce2 chipset on the Asus A7N8X-VM mainboard, but the primary problem appeared to be that Windows XP was installed with a Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) component that doesn\'t match the mainboard. See:
http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_thread.php?id=5773#31418
10) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34091)
Posted 18 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
The table below shows the percentage of completion of one entire HadCM3 simulation run as I recorded it at the times shown. My time zone is Eastern Daylight Savings Time (USA), which is, I believe, currently UTC-4 (because we set our clocks one hour ahead when Daylight Savings Time begins).
CPDN Progress
Note:  when the time is the same for two percentage values, then the value changed while I was recording it.
Date     Time  per cent  Notes
-------- ----- --------  ---------------------------------
06/16/08 05:25 78.713    End of run (BOINC suspend & exit)         
06/16/08 21:20 78.713    Start of run, initial value
         21:20 78.694    immediate drop
         21:31 78.707 
         21:35 78.710 
         21:44 78.712 
         21:44 78.713    return to initial value
         21:47 78.714
         21:51 78.716 
         22:01 78.719
         22:10 78.720
         22:24 78.723
         22:37 78.727
         22:42 78.729
         22:50 78.731
         22:59 78.734
         23:08 78.737
         23:33 ......    trickle-up sent
06/17/08 00:40 78.776
         01:00 78.782
         01:10 78.785
         01:43 78.792
         02:05 78.797         
         02:16 ......    DLL initialization error!!         
         02:26 78.781    major drop!
         02:28 78.782
         02:32 78.783
         02:41 78.785
         02:45 78.786
         02:50 78.787
         02:56 78.788
         02:56 78.789
         03:03 78.790
         03:08 78.791
         03:09 78.792
         03:15 78.793
         03:23 78.794
         03:27 78.795
         03:30 78.796
         03:35 78.797    return to 02:05 value         
         03:39 78.798
         03:41 78.799
         03:47 78.800    approx.  6-minute interval
         03:50 78.802
         04:03 78.803    approx. 13-minute interval
         04:09 78.804    approx.  6-minute interval
         04:12 78.805
         04:15 78.806
         04:20 78.807
         04:30 78.809    approx. 10-minute interval
         04:35 78.810
         04:45 78.811    approx. 10-minute interval
         04:49 78.812
         04:49 78.813
         ..... ......

06/17/08 05:29 78.828    End of run (BOINC suspend & exit)
________________________________________________________________

First, I have no idea as to why the percentage immediately dropped when the run began, i.e., why the model dropped back to a previous point in time (percentage) from which it returned to the initial point in time (percentage) after about 25 minutes of recalculation.

Second, on the face of it, the error message set:

6/17/2008 2:16:09 AM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 exited with a DLL initialization error.
6/17/2008 2:16:09 AM|climateprediction.net|If this happens repeatedly you may need to reboot your computer.
6/17/2008 2:16:09 AM|climateprediction.net|Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

is really bad news. Regardless of whether any such initialization error actually occurred, the Sunbelt Personal Firewall behavior log shows that BOINC must re-start the HadCM3 model when that \"error\" occurs, just as the last line in the set implies. As the table above shows, the model required at least one hour and almost twenty minutes to reach the level of completion at which it had arrived BEFORE the \"initialization error\".

Since I began running version 5.10.45, there has been only one run of about eight hours in which that error did not occur at all. It usually occurs at least once, more often twice, and frequently three times during a run of more than four or five hours. IMHO, it is not acceptable if a large percentage of the computing time is eaten up by recovering from this \"error\". One must also wonder whether the recalculated data output is always the same at a time to which the model returns after dropping back to a previous time.
11) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34080)
Posted 16 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
Ian: BOINC/HadCM3 version 5.10.45 is the one that I\'m running. As far as I know, there aren\'t any files missing from its directory and subdirectories. Please see my further reply to mo.v about the graphics.

In your situation, I would do what you\'re doing - let it run for a bit. If it keeps reverting (judged, as Mo says, by the percentage or by a date if you can get one), then restore a backup. Things should be clear in a day or so. Not long to wait after all the processing that has been done so far ...


That is what I\'ve been thinking, too. Thanks.
12) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34079)
Posted 16 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:

In this case your abnormal graphics may be related not to a problem with the model\'s processing, but to you deleting this file from the Windows subdirectory.

Are you sure you deleted a file from Windows itself? Or was it a file in the BOINC folder?


Please let me emphasize: BOINC has always output the graphics display that I described beginning with the first day that I ran the HadCM3 model. I\'ve never found anything that has changed that display, such as updating the nVidia Force 2 chipset drivers.

BOINC produced such graphics long before I deleted the BOINC screen saver file, which was in a Windows subdirectory with all of the other screen saver choices that are displayed by the Desktop > Properties > Screen Saver > Screen saver dropdown. Everyone here says that we should not choose the BOINC screen saver because updating the data that it displays significantly slows down the progress of the model. BOINC apparently launched the screen saver during each run, according to the Sunbelt (Kerio) Personal Firewall behavior log, but it was never displayed as output on my monitor. Curiously, this only appeared in the log after I added a rule for the firewall to prevent the BOINC screen saver from being run (thus occupying memory). Eventually, I deleted the file because I got tired of seeing the log show BOINC\'s attempts to run it. (I haven\'t looked for a copy of the BOINC screen saver in the BOINC directory, but Windows will not look for one there regardless.)

Please note that Windows XP (the OS) has the feature and the sole responsibility for running a screen saver, if any is to be run. I have always chosen \"Mystify\" as the one to run.

Let the model continue to crunch while we try to work out why your model graphics don\'t display properly. Your model graph certainly looks perfectly normal for the years crunched so far, so if the graphics have been abnormal since crunching day 1, the graphics problem can\'t be related to a model processing problem.


Certainly, provided that the HadCM3 output is valid, then there is no reason to stop or to return to a backup.
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34074)
Posted 16 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:

The abnormal graphics have nothing to do with your graphics card and they\'re not the fault of the CPDN graphics program. Abnormal graphics (except in the case of HADSM models after a phase change) are in my experience always an indication that the processing of the model has gone wrong in some way. Usually the abnormal graphics are accompanied by much slower or much faster processing (sec/timestep).


BOINC has always displayed the \"graphics\" that I described since the first day that I began running the HadCM3 model. (AFAIK it has never displayed the \"screen saver\", which I eventually deleted from the Windows subdirectory where it was stored.)

The current Progress is 78.713% as of 05:25 EDST (USA East Coast) on 06/16/08, and I will keep an eye on it to see whether it is ever reported to be less. It is now higher than it was at the start of the run on Sunday evening.

According to the firewall network log, if memory serves, CPDNet was contacted three times, at the respective time for each trickle that was reported by the BOINC messages. As to why they haven\'t appeared (yet?) on my model\'s web page, I have no idea.

I have kept the backup that was made on Friday evening and I have one from the preceeding week (before the run that began on 06/08/08), also for each of the three weeks before that (I could go back to the backup made before I installed the current version of the software, or even to a prior version ...).

So far, I have not restored the state of the model\'s computation from backup and have simply let the model continue whatever it is doing. It has not sent a trickle since the last one that was reported in the message excerpt that I posted. If the software doesn\'t stop running of its own accord, or the science folks don\'t tell me that it is producing erroneous output, then I don\'t plan to return to a previous backup.
14) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34072)
Posted 15 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
The first trickle was submitted at 06:10 local time, which is 10:10 UTC - and there is a trickle logged at 10:09:35 UTC on the results page. So it looks as if that first trickle was accepted correctly, but the others may be spurious repeats. ....


Thank-you for that information.


What is happening in the graphics? Is the model time reverting to the beginning of December?


The BOINC/HadCM3 graphics displayed on my computer are dismal, which is a bit strange considering that my computer has some powerful graphics display capabilities. \"Graphics Available\" shows a black panel with a globe and the continents on it drawn with white lines, no other colors or objects. The lefthand column is white and has something indiscernible at the bottom. Pressing the \"Z\" key removes the lefthand column and displays a temperature scale to the right of the globe, all upon a black background; the scale has colors for different temperature ranges, but they are not displayed on the globe. The software does not respond to pressing the \"8\" key. So, as far as I can determine, I do not have any way to ascertain the \"current date\" that is being processed by the model, or whether it has gone into a loop, etc. IMHO, the software probably could use some serious updating with respect to the information it discloses about what the model is doing.

I shut the system down shortly after exiting the model at the time reported by the excerpt from stdoutae.txt. I started running the model again about an hour before I posted my first message on this thread. So far, it has not sent a trickle-up message today.

15) Questions and Answers : Windows : Too Many Trickles?? (Message 34070)
Posted 15 Jun 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
Normally, I run BOINC/HadCM3 a total of about 50 hours per week and it sends a trickle about once every 5 or 6 days, and uploads a .ZIP file(s) every few weeks.

However, I ran the computer (and the model) almost continuously from about 11:00 PM on Thursday (June 12) through early Sunday morning (June 15), with one brief interruption to back-up the BOINC files and to do some other operations that shouldn\'t run while the model is executing. Here is an excerpt from stdoutae.txt (edited to remove extraneous messages, mostly .DLL initialization errors):

(12-Jun-2008 messages and 13-Jun-2008 prior to the following run were routine)

13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Starting BOINC client version 5.10.45 for windows_intelx86
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ [x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1]
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Processor features: fpu tsc sse 3dnow mmx
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Memory: 1.94 GB physical, 2.29 GB virtual
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Disk: 57.26 GB total, 13.24 GB free
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [climateprediction.net] URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 753323; location: (none); project prefs: default
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 18-Sep-2007 17:32:13)
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Host location: none
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] General prefs: using your defaults
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Reading preferences override file
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Preferences limit memory usage when active to 768.55MB
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 1031.35MB
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [---] Preferences limit disk usage to 8.59GB
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [climateprediction.net] Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 is 142.91 days overdue.
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [climateprediction.net] You may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.
13-Jun-2008 20:34:47 [climateprediction.net] Restarting task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 using hadcm3i version 544

....

14-Jun-2008 06:10:14 [climateprediction.net] Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
14-Jun-2008 06:10:19 [climateprediction.net] Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

....

14-Jun-2008 06:37:44 [climateprediction.net] Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
14-Jun-2008 06:37:49 [climateprediction.net] Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

....

14-Jun-2008 11:25:09 [climateprediction.net] Sending scheduler request: To send trickle-up message. Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
14-Jun-2008 11:25:14 [climateprediction.net] Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

....

15-Jun-2008 06:38:30 [---] Suspending computation - user request
15-Jun-2008 06:41:17 [---] Exit requested by user


The model ran at least 30 hours before the first trickle-up request \"succeeded\". Then the next request follows by only 27 minutes, and the third one follows the second after 4 hours 48 minutes.

I\'ve been running the model since last September, and I\'ve never seen anything like this before (the model is approaching 80% completion!). Does it indicate some sort of problem with execution of the model??

16) Questions and Answers : Windows : Screensaver -- What \"screensaver\"? (Message 33185)
Posted 2 Apr 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
Les, thank-you for the information. BOINC is indeed listed as a choice on the selection of Screen Savers (tab) for the desktop properties. I\'ve rarely looked at the list since I chose to run Mystify soon after buying this computer in Sept. 2003.
17) Questions and Answers : Windows : Screensaver -- What \"screensaver\"? (Message 33171)
Posted 1 Apr 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
The Sunbelt (Kerio) Personal Firewall that my computer runs has a \"behavior\" log which discloses:

(1) BOINC Manager for Windows starts (starts execution).
(2) BOINC Manager for Windows launches BOINC Client.
(3) BOINC Client starts.
(4) BOINC Manager for Windows launches BOINC Screensaver.
(5) BOINC Client launches hadcm3trans_5.44_windows_intelx86 (according to Process Explorer, hadcm3transnum_5.44_windows_intelx86 is a \"child\" process of hadcm3trans_5.44_windows_intelx86 but the firewall behavior detection system doesn\'t record its launch).

Note that the firewall log does not have a line which reports that the BOINC Screensaver actually starts (i.e., executes), as it does for the BOINC Client -- only that the BOINC Manager for Windows launches the screensaver.

First, AFAIK, I have never actually seen the \"BOINC Screensaver\" and/or it apparently never runs in a context in which the Windows XP screensaver actually does run.

Second, from what I\'ve read around here, the BOINC screensaver slows the processing of the climate model, so the screensaver should not be run.

Third, I have yet to find and read any information or instruction as to how to stop the BOINC Manager for Windows from launching the BOINC Screensaver. I cannot find an \"option\" or \"preference\" to do that, neither in the software interface nor for \"your account\" online. I might be able to do that by modifying the current behavior rule that the firewall has on record for the screensaver itself, i.e., to deny the screensaver from starting. But I don\'t want to do that if it will cause a problem with BOINC.

Can you offer any advice?


18) Questions and Answers : Windows : Task Overdue Message (Message 32341)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by old_user470806
Post:
Keep plugging away at it. As far as I know, the result files are always accepted even if the Web site is complaining that the model is overdue or errored in some other way.

On this project the credits will always be allocated if the trickles are submitted - there\'s no quorum or deadline.


Thank-you for your advice. :-)
19) Questions and Answers : Windows : Task Overdue Message (Message 32335)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by old_user470806
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Recently, the following message has been logged each day (the amount of days overdue changes):

1/24/2008 1:28:40 PM|climateprediction.net|Task hadcm3iozn_cpm4_2000_80_45898965_7 is 1.65 days overdue.
1/24/2008 1:28:40 PM|climateprediction.net|You may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.

The actual elapsed time when that message first appeared was 846 hr. 48 min., with time remaining as 939 hr. 37 min., and the work unit 36.7% complete. However, in my experience the \"time remaining\" has constantly increased and has never been accurate. I have estimated the total time needed to complete the model as follows:

elapsed time / percent complete = time to complete

846.75 hr. / 0.367 = 2,307 hr.

That total amount of time required to complete the term of the simulation has remained constant since I began calculating it that way when the percentage complete was only 5%.

I don\'t know whether \"credit\" matters, but I would prefer to run the model for the complete intended length of the simulation. It sends a \"trickle\" about once every 10 days, and uploads some large .ZIP files about every 8 to 12 weeks.

That said, given the cost of electricity in the area where I live, I cannot financially afford to run the computer 24 hrs. per day, seven days per week. At most, I usually run it about 6 to 10 hrs. per day on most days, and run it about 4 to 6 hrs. on one or two days each week.

So the completion of the work may be \"too slow\" to suit the project manager(s), and if that is the case, then I will abort the simulation and detach from the project.

Note: the computer has an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ CPU, running at 2.0 GHz but comparable to an Intel CPU running 2.4 GHz. It can use as much as 1031 MB of RAM when the computer is inactive, or 768 MB when other applications are being executed.

Should I abandon the model??
20) Questions and Answers : Windows : HARD DRIVE FAILURE - WHAT NOW? (Message 32334)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by old_user470806
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Last week my hard drive failed. Early signs are that the drive has suffered a mechanical failure and efforts to retrieve any data from it have, so far, been unsuccessful. ....


If you haven\'t tried Spinrite yet, I recommend that you obtain a copy from the Gibson Research Corp. (grc.com). They have a lot of satisfied customers whose failed drives have been restored, allowing them to at least copy the essential data files over to a new hard drive, to CD-ROM backup, etc. I run Spinrite for maintenance purposes about every 3 or 4 months, although the run takes over 13 hours for a 60 GB drive.



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