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Harri Liljeroos
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Message 57186 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 7:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 57185.

As I said in my previous post the script is currently running but very slowly. I imagine this is because of the amount of data involved with a near constant supply of tasks recently. (Except for those like myself who have Linux or Mac machines.)


Maybe this is the reason why I see that all my already validated tasks have now 0 credits starting from 2013 when my main host became active. The total credit and RAC for my hosts are still there. Trickles have been updated.
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Message 57188 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 8:33:08 UTC

Something is happening, - credit has gone from all my completed tasks on the web. Hopefully this is a prelude to the up to date figure going in.

Gabriel Dario Wrobel
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Message 57189 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 9:55:36 UTC

Hi guys,
Same thing here. My credit is gone too; dropped from almost 3,9M to 271K.
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Message 57190 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 10:08:51 UTC - in response to Message 57189.
Last modified: 26 Oct 2017, 10:10:22 UTC

Same thing here. My credit is gone too; dropped from almost 3,9M to 271K.


That is 271K more than mine has dropped to!

However, because CPDN has a robust back up policy which has been demonstrated several times in the past, I do have confidence that it will get sorted out sooner or later.

Harri Liljeroos
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Message 57191 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 11:29:09 UTC - in response to Message 57190.

Same thing here. My credit is gone too; dropped from almost 3,9M to 271K.


That is 271K more than mine has dropped to!

However, because CPDN has a robust back up policy which has been demonstrated several times in the past, I do have confidence that it will get sorted out sooner or later.

Yep, now my credit is almost gone too. Most of the remaining credit comes from some old hosts before 2010, no tasks can be found for them. Only one host shows credits and tasks, but none of the tasks that I can see show any credit. So if the credit script started from the beginning of the project, it may take a while to reach hosts that are still active today. I just hope that it doesn't fail or crash before that.
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Message 57194 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 13:36:32 UTC - in response to Message 57191.

Very glad I read recent posts here today before trying a manual update just now. I've also dropped to zero. Having seen Dave Jackson's previous comment I'm not worried. At least it's made the shape of my stats graph more interesting.

I haven't abandoned CPDN but I've restricted it to one task (out of four) at a time on my PC. I still think the project needs more resources, in terms of both managing the throughput of tasks and communicating with volunteers. Overall, though, it's a good thing to be part of.

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Message 57195 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 15:44:32 UTC - in response to Message 57188.

Hope so...my credit has dropped from 12.7 million to 192,672! Looks a bit strange on the BOINC Statistics screen at this hope. I'm hoping this is a sign that some fixes to the ongoing credit calculation problems are occurring!!

Alex Plantema
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Message 57197 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 16:30:59 UTC
Last modified: 26 Oct 2017, 16:46:33 UTC

Here the same: I had 12,431,172 points, now I have 665,626.
Edit:
All tasks have 0.00 points now.
665,626 is a bit more than the total of my archived, i.e. pre-2010 tasks: 615.859.63 points.

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Message 57199 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 19:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 57185.

"Recently that system fell over because the amount of data being processed went over some maximum set by either the set up at Oxford or possibly University IT policies. I am not sure which."


Maybe CPDN reached an integer overflow, or perhaps a workload. I am not sure which either.

Albert H.
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Message 57201 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 21:20:50 UTC

Hello,
I am happy. Looking at my total credit, I am 10 years younger. :) :)

dennis9999
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Message 57203 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 22:30:12 UTC - in response to Message 57201.

Ditto for me. Couple days ago I had over 600K yesterday it showed 200K. Sure wish these guys would get their act together.

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Message 57205 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:42:56 UTC

It's something of what I think Millennials are accustomed to refer to as a FUBAR!
Anyhow I'll finish up my CPDN work & if the credits aren't sorted out I'll be off never to return. Which after 13 years would be a damned shame. Your call.
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Message 57207 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 2:42:17 UTC - in response to Message 57190.
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I'm showing down 233,000(ish), with 37 tasks completed but missing the validation and therefore now at 0 vs. whatever credits they had before. Some go back to at least 2013.

1,139,821.98
Comprising 1,372,757.28 from the daily update
+ -232,935.30 since then
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Message 57209 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 3:58:07 UTC
Last modified: 27 Oct 2017, 4:00:08 UTC

My credits just dropped from 1 mil+ to 0 -- zip! And the project no longer shows up on BOINC Stats! Good move guys. . .
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Sergio Izquierdo Garcia
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Message 57210 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 5:34:20 UTC

Same issue here...
All my credit since around 2009 is gone (2,256,000 credits)
All the completed tasks have been set to 0.0 credit.

Please correct this and put some explanation on the Main Page News thread.

Thanks.
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Message 57212 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 6:21:43 UTC

A moment of perspective, if you please.

I loathe weighing-in on anything to do with credits. I'll not bother to explain myself beyond questioning what possesses people to commit resources to a project, not for the stated goals of the project, but for an ephemeral, valueless credit (in a Capitalist system) baffles me.

What did you lose? I saw a complaint to two fractional digits. Wow! Credit loss to a hundredth of a credit! What a horror!

What did I 'lose'? Nothing, actually. It will be set aright. It ALWAYS has been. If interested in numbers (I had to check): My stats dropped from above 70,000,000 to less than 21,000,000. For any arithmetic-challenged readers, that is, ballpark (round numbers), fifty million. Say again, please, what did you "lose"? Nothing! It remains. It will show again,

So, do I care about my 'loss'? Not a whit! Even if I did care, I know from experience, that the folks at Oxford will sort it out when the important stuff is sorted. You lose nothing by hanging-in with what has always been true.

Hang in with with us... CPDN is an important project. Please read some (preferably, all) of the pages linked on the home page. It will surely focus your attention on the important stuff.

Forget 'credits', revel in our long history of cumulative accomplished science; revel in what YOU do to help protect the planet -- i.e., the important stuff. There is a lot!
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Message 57213 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 6:32:47 UTC - in response to Message 57212.

Very well stated. I had a little quip lined up, but now I must refrain. Many thanks.

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Message 57215 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 8:30:31 UTC

Hear hear.

I've never understood the obsession with credits.

Credits are and always will just a measure of showing your dedication to a project.

The science is infinitely more important than a number which means nothing much to anyone else except "oh I see he's crunched more than me".
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Message 57216 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 10:26:14 UTC

The credit problem has been raised with the project team and I have been assured that all of the information required to calculate credit is intact.

The current problem is related to the new daily credit script they're trying to phase in. The old weekly script is being re-run and credits should return to the correct level when it's complete.

BTW, the total credit for the project dropped from 32,814,617,008 on Wednesday to 10,938,204,204 yesterday ...
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Message 57219 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 11:58:10 UTC - in response to Message 57212.

So, do I care about my 'loss'? Not a whit! Even if I did care, I know from experience, that the folks at Oxford will sort it out when the important stuff is sorted. You lose nothing by hanging-in with what has always been true.


I've never understood the obsession with credits.


It's not just an "obsession with credits". No-one seriously expects to crunch for CPDN and go sailing up to the top of the BOINC charts. The reason many people get sensitive about credit is that CPDN is supposedly a BOINC project — and the ethos of BOINC is that people allow projects' tasks to run on their computers and in return receive credit. It's a two-way thing. The usual understanding is that the credit will be granted immediately the work's validated, not just when project administrators don't have anything "more important" to do. Credits aren't worth anything in material terms terms and don't enhance anyone's status in the real world, but they're a nice recognition of the bother and expense people have gone to on your project's behalf and a helpful indicator of the usefulness of their results.

CPDN's tasks are long and prone to crashing and have to be nurtured through by leaving the machines switched on permanently and without restarts for several days or weeks at a time. Anyone who continues to crunch for the project on this basis after a few weeks of crashing models, models which only run on certain types of computer, bugs in the apps for certain types of computer which no-one knows how to fix, server problems which can only be addressed when it's not a weekend or a bank holiday, and credit scripts which are only run once every two or three months is dedicated and deserves to be treated with respect. With all CPDN's existing peculiarites, it's perfectly natural for people to feel nervous when yet another glitch appears to wipe out their credit. Haughty replies about what's important do little to alleviate their fears about the competence and attitudes at that end or to reassure them that crunching for the project isn't actually contributing more to global warming than to a solution for it.
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