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Message 57269 - Posted: 31 Oct 2017, 2:40:48 UTC

I would also like to step in and say thank you for the update! It was somewhat disappointing to experience the temporary lapse in credits, but nothing I would stop crunching for.
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Message 57298 - Posted: 4 Nov 2017, 19:53:24 UTC
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Any evidence that the credit script is going to run this weekend, and if so, will it be the old, once a week script or a (hopefully) a fixed version of the new daily script?
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Message 57301 - Posted: 4 Nov 2017, 22:32:58 UTC

I try to get answer here. Why my account was deleted and i must registred it again? And where is my credit for this project?
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Message 57302 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 2:55:38 UTC - in response to Message 57301.  

I try to get answer here. Why my account was deleted and i must registred it again? And where is my credit for this project?


The reason that all of the credits are gone and you need to reregister is a new law that recently went into effect. Your account was dormant for nearly 10 and the new law mandates that after a certain amount of time all personal info, such as accounts, user names and passwords have to be erased from the servers. Your user account was beyond the deadline so it and presumably the credits that went with it have been erased. I don’t know if it is possible get them back.
The scientific work that you did for the project is still safely stored and available to the climate scientists.
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Message 57304 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 5:41:15 UTC - in response to Message 57302.  



The reason that all of the credits are gone and you need to reregister is a new law that recently went into effect. Your account was dormant for nearly 10 and the new law mandates that after a certain amount of time all personal info, such as accounts, user names and passwords have to be erased from the servers. Your user account was beyond the deadline so it and presumably the credits that went with it have been erased. I don’t know if it is possible get them back.
The scientific work that you did for the project is still safely stored and available to the climate scientists.


Deadline on Boinc project? It must be joke.
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/914/projectList
I have all credits from retired projects. So why active project remove accounts, credits? I will never participate in this project again without credits back. It is better to crunch Bitcoin.
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Message 57311 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 15:47:20 UTC - in response to Message 57304.  
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The reason that all of the credits are gone and you need to reregister is a new law that recently went into effect. Your account was dormant for nearly 10 and the new law mandates that after a certain amount of time all personal info, such as accounts, user names and passwords have to be erased from the servers. Your user account was beyond the deadline so it and presumably the credits that went with it have been erased. I don’t know if it is possible get them back.
The scientific work that you did for the project is still safely stored and available to the climate scientists.


Deadline on Boinc project? It must be joke.
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/914/projectList
I have all credits from retired projects. So why active project remove accounts, credits? I will never participate in this project again without credits back. It is better to crunch Bitcoin.


Since CPDN is from UK, they have to comply with UK law, and now, apparently the law mandates that they have to delete inactive accounts. It's a bit stupid, we aren't giving CPDN any crucial info.

This was in the news thread last month:
From Andy at CPDN staff:

To comply with the Data Protection Act 1998, we are required to only keep personal data for as long as it is absolutely necessary. We will therefore only keep records of inactive volunteers for three years from now on. Initially any records inactive since 2014 or before that date will be removed. We will continue to remove records that have been inactive for three years or more on an ongoing basis.
Therefore anyone who signed up prior to this and has been inactive for over three years but wishes to renew their engagement will need to set up a new account. If you have been inactive for the last couple of years and wish us to retain your email and username, please reactivate your account as soon as possible.

Project credits from these accounts will be retained but will no longer be linked to an email address or username.

Current, active, volunteers, or those who have been active in the last three years, will not be affected by this policy.



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Message 57312 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 16:16:13 UTC

Since CPDN is from UK, they have to comply with UK law, and now, apparently the law mandates that they have to delete inactive accounts. It's a bit stupid, we aren't giving CPDN any crucial info.


I agree it is stupid but having looked into the data protection act and checked some things out for another organisation I was a trustee for, it does seem to be the case. Presumably other UK based projects will be affected though where they draw the line with regards to keeping data, "No longer than is absolutely necessary" may be different.

I wonder if a fortuitous side effect of deleting these accounts will be that keeping the credits up to date for active participants will be easier?
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Message 57317 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 20:05:56 UTC

They could at least have sent an email asking if you want to keep your account.
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Message 57318 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 20:12:01 UTC - in response to Message 57317.  

They could at least have sent an email asking if you want to keep your account.


Or could've used the notification (Notices tab) system of BOINC to pass on info to volunteers. Yet another avenue CPDN project systematically fails to utilise.
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Message 57319 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 20:56:40 UTC - in response to Message 57317.  

They could at least have sent an email asking if you want to keep your account.


The last time the project sent out a mass emailing they had serious problems with an major ISP that accused them of spamming. It’s not just you. There must be thousands, even tens of thousands of long term inactive accounts built up over the last 10+ years. The new law says they have to be deleted.
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Message 57320 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 22:15:23 UTC

Still dont get a answer if is possible to get credits back. In our team we have tournaments and without this project i loose many points. This the first. The second all users can see how much i participate to every project on BOINC. Without this we all can have nick Anonymous and participate without anything. No tournamets, no competition. Now i see it is useless to participate this. Three years enough to as i never exist. Sorry for my english. I hope you understand it.
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Message 57321 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 23:13:37 UTC - in response to Message 57320.  

I would say most likely not possible. Accounts were identified by email addresses. With the identifying information removed from the old accounts there is little way to figure out which of the thousands of “old_compters” were yours.
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Message 57322 - Posted: 5 Nov 2017, 23:37:34 UTC

I suggest that this has nothing to do with the UK Data Protection Act 1998. If so CPDN has been acting illegaly for 19 years. It is a new policy started by Andy of the CPDN Staff to reduce the database not considering the subsequent consequences of taking away years of hard work by volunteers and just saying you are no longer important to us and just wipe their credits. Other UK based project consider their volunteers and thank them for the work done but not CPDN.

CPDN has a number of helpers who consider that it is the science that matters and do not care for credit. Perhaps you should pull out of BOINC and just let those users assist you for you are just using BOINC and falsely recruit members and misleading them for you do not like to waste your time on useless credit.

For BOINC users. Please reconsider helping CPDN for their rules do not follow BOINC guidelines.
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Message 57324 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 8:15:39 UTC

I suggest to store the account key with the remaining data. Then an account can be restored on request using the key from account_climateprediction.net.xml.
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Message 57325 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 8:58:59 UTC

I suggest that this has nothing to do with the UK Data Protection Act 1998. If so CPDN has been acting illegally for 19 years.


While the act has been in place for 19 years, the guidance about how it is implemented has changed and the act itself has been updated this century.

I suggest to store the account key with the remaining data. Then an account can be restored on request using the key from account_climateprediction.net.xml.


I will pass on this suggestion. I also wonder if a two stage clearout system might help - Deleting permanently after 15 years of inactivity say?
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Message 57326 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 9:58:04 UTC - in response to Message 57311.  

Since CPDN is from UK, they have to comply with UK law, and now, apparently the law mandates that they have to delete inactive accounts. It's a bit stupid, we aren't giving CPDN any crucial info.


Given that this is the UK and that this is CPDN, it's more likely to be either the law being applied stupidly or the law being used as an excuse to cover something else such as freeing up server space or reducing the time spent updating credit.

Two other projects for which I've crunched in the past have shut down altogether, but their participants' association with their credit hasn't been expunged from the BOINC record, as has apparently happened here: http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=userdate&proj=bcpdn&startdate=14734. (An additional, CPDN-specific cross-project identifier has been generated for every user deleted from CPDN, thus shifting the strain onto the stats sites' servers.)

This was in the news thread last month:
From Andy at CPDN staff:



Project credits from these accounts will be retained but will no longer be linked to an email address or username.


What a useless statement! :D

Current, active, volunteers, or those who have been active in the last three years, will not be affected by this policy.


What does "current, active" mean, exactly? Will all the remaining Mac and Linux users' accounts be deleted too in three years' time if viable apps aren't produced for them by then? Or will we be able to hang on to our current credit simply by requesting tasks in vain for the rest of our lives?
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Message 57327 - Posted: 6 Nov 2017, 10:25:05 UTC - in response to Message 57326.  

I understand that if needs be data can be extracted from the backup taken before this process was started in order to restore data to the main database.

I guess it could be a problem if there is a flood of requests for accounts to be restored.
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Message 57340 - Posted: 7 Nov 2017, 18:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 57327.  

The credit script is running today 11/07/2017.
As for credit for old projects, I do see credit displaying for some old projects. I believe my current password matches the old password before the purge. Credit for some of my computers when I used a different password does not display. I do not remember the total for each computer. Back then, I was excited to see that I am making a different in climate science. I do not participate in any computer challenge. Like others, I like seeing the credits updated at least once a week. We are making a different in climate science.
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Message 57344 - Posted: 8 Nov 2017, 8:28:46 UTC

Credits were given to completed tasks. Unfinished tasks with trickles didn't get credit. All servers on status page are showing red and not running. I hope the credit script didn't break them.
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Message 57345 - Posted: 8 Nov 2017, 8:33:57 UTC - in response to Message 57344.  

I hope the credit script didn't break them.


Unlikely, the credit script wouldn't have the write permissions needed to break all the servers.
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