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41) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Boinc Project Privatised (Message 27681)
Posted 1 Apr 2007 by Profile Saenger
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News from B.U.R.P.:

Apr 01, 2007
BURP has been sold to Microsoft Corporation and will be renamed to \"Microsoft 3D Online\". For the future this has a few minor consequences, mainly pricing:
Render of 1 session: $2
Render of 10 sessions: $19
Or a monthly fee of $50 for any number of sessions
Also our client now requires a genuine installation of MSN Messenger and Outlook Express to work.


Thanks to MikeMarsUK for noticing this important development.

As it\'s 4 minutes to midnight (here and in Denmark) I think it\'s OK to get your attention towards the date of the announcement ;)

But it was a fine one of course, I had a good laugh.
42) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Democratic Party Team (Message 27670)
Posted 1 Apr 2007 by Profile Saenger
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It\'s as well not forbidden to have a Team Democratic Party (although I won\'t join as a) european, b) green party member and c) happy team member of S.G).

I have no problem with a diversity of teams, I would only object openly racist teams or such, but I wouldn\'t even see this with a \"Team Republican Party\".

What\'s different here in regard of forum structure is, that here is no team recruitment part of the forum but a team recruitment thread, so it would heve been more appropriate to post this there. But this rule has been broken by other teams as well, I don\'t think it\'s that important.
43) Message boards : Number crunching : Calculation of BS-rac. (Message 27608)
Posted 28 Mar 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Willy calculates his own RAC, mainly because some projects don\'t let the RAC decrease the RAC for crunchers that stopped crunching.


Thanks for posting that Saenger. I had been trying to figure out why the points matched but the RAC was different. IIRC, the Rank is different also.

Thanks,

-- David


I just got the \"official\" answer from Willy in his forum:
Quick \'simple\' answer:

Gained credit over the past x days divided by x

where x is the number of days in the day-history used for the 60 day history chart, with a maximum of 60 days.

44) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Team Recruiting Thread II (Message 27602)
Posted 28 Mar 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Hello Raven,

With the (not so) new cut-off after 75 or so posts it\'s not that important any longer to start a new thread every 100 posts, but be it as it may be, here\'s my Invitation post (in german, as it\'s for a german team, but english or whatever other language speakers are invited to join as well, of course ;)

Hallo liebe Mitrechner hier bei ClimatePrediction!

SETI.Germany ist das größte deutsche Team beim wissenschaftlichen Projekt SETI@home, der Suche nach außerirdischer Intelligenz, durchgeführt an der Universität von Kalifornien, Berkeley.

Auch weiterhin liegt ein Schwerpunkt in diesem Projekt, unter dem sich unser Team in Seticlassic-Zeiten formiert hat und seine Teambezeichnung fand.

Neben Seti@home ist unser Team nun auch bei vielen anderen Projekten des Public Distributed Computing (Öffentliches Verteiltes Rechnen) unter dem Namen SETI.Germany vertreten und hat die 400 000 000 Credit-Grenze passiert!
Die Themen der Projekte reichen von Astrophysik, Molekularbiologie, Chemie, Mathematik, Medizin, Rendering, Verschlüsselung und angewandter Informatik bis zum aktuellen Projekt hier ClimatePrediction.

Auf unserer Webseite bieten wir weiterführende Informationen zu diesen Projekten u.a. in einem großen Forensystem .Das Angebot für unsere Mitglieder und Gäste umfasst außerdem eine Chatfunktion, eine ausführliche Performance-Statistik zu den meisten Projekten mit Seti.Germany-Beteiligung und mehr...

Zu unserem aktuellen Stand hier bei ClimatePrediction:


Zum aktuellen Stand im ganzen BOINC:


Wenn Du jetzt Lust bekommen hast bei uns mitzurechnen, benutze einfach folgende Links:

Diesen hier wenn Du bereits ein Konto bei ClimatePrediction hast und nur zu uns ins Team kommen möchtest, oder diesen hier, wenn Du noch ein Konto eröffnen möchtest.

Ansonsten:
Fröhliches Vollgascrunchen allerseits!
45) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Team Recruiting Thread - CLOSED (Message 27592)
Posted 28 Mar 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Hallo liebe Mitrechner hier bei ClimatePrediction!

SETI.Germany ist das größte deutsche Team beim wissenschaftlichen Projekt SETI@home, der Suche nach außerirdischer Intelligenz, durchgeführt an der Universität von Kalifornien, Berkeley.

Auch weiterhin liegt ein Schwerpunkt in diesem Projekt, unter dem sich unser Team in Seticlassic-Zeiten formiert hat und seine Teambezeichnung fand.

Neben Seti@home ist unser Team nun auch bei vielen anderen Projekten des Public Distributed Computing (Öffentliches Verteiltes Rechnen) unter dem Namen SETI.Germany vertreten und hat die 400 000 000 Credit-Grenze passiert!
Die Themen der Projekte reichen von Astrophysik, Molekularbiologie, Chemie, Mathematik, Medizin, Rendering, Verschlüsselung und angewandter Informatik bis zum aktuellen Projekt hier ClimatePrediction.

Auf unserer Webseite bieten wir weiterführende Informationen zu diesen Projekten u.a. in einem großen Forensystem .Das Angebot für unsere Mitglieder und Gäste umfasst außerdem eine Chatfunktion, eine ausführliche Performance-Statistik zu den meisten Projekten mit Seti.Germany-Beteiligung und mehr...

Zu unserem aktuellen Stand hier bei ClimatePrediction:


Zum aktuellen Stand im ganzen BOINC:


Wenn Du jetzt Lust bekommen hast bei uns mitzurechnen, benutze einfach folgende Links:

Diesen hier wenn Du bereits ein Konto bei ClimatePrediction hast und nur zu uns ins Team kommen möchtest, oder diesen hier, wenn Du noch ein Konto eröffnen möchtest.

Ansonsten:
Fröhliches Vollgascrunchen allerseits!

Das musste nach dem Meilenstein mal wieder anch oben gebracht werden!
46) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Massive Censorship at Predictor Boards! (Message 27533)
Posted 26 Mar 2007 by Profile Saenger
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I think you need a RAC of 1 in order to post at Predictor.

Nope, 5 is not sufficient, but 15 seems to be good enough. So presumably 10, unless you got banned ;)
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Calculation of BS-rac. (Message 27493)
Posted 25 Mar 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Willy calculates his own RAC, mainly because some projects don\'t let the RAC decrease the RAC for crunchers that stopped crunching.

I\'ve asked him several times as well to write the calculation method in the FAQ, I don\'t know why he hasn\'t done so. But I expect it to be close to the official method, only calculated once a day and not with every granted credit.

This will give a higher RAC for projects that grant dayly every few hours, and a faster decaying RAC for projects with grants every few days.

Official formula:

So how is the Recent Average Credit computed? Each time new Credit granted, the following function is used to update the Recent Average Credit of the Computer, Participant, or Team:

RAC(new) = RAC(old)*d(t) + (1-d(t))*credit(new)

Where d(t) is the decay function, and t is the time (in seconds) since the last Recent Average Credit recalculation.

d(t) = e^(-ln(2)*t / 604800)

The Recent Average Credit for any Computer, Participant, or Team is calculated every time that Credit is added to that object. Please see also the example on the right.
48) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Team Recruiting Thread - CLOSED (Message 27335)
Posted 15 Mar 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Dies muss mal wieder nach oben gebumpt werden ;)
Hallo liebe Mitrechner hier bei ClimatePrediction!

SETI.Germany ist das größte deutsche Team beim wissenschaftlichen Projekt SETI@home, der Suche nach außerirdischer Intelligenz, durchgeführt an der Universität von Kalifornien, Berkeley.

Auch weiterhin liegt ein Schwerpunkt in diesem Projekt, unter dem sich unser Team in Seticlassic-Zeiten formiert hat und seine Teambezeichnung fand.

Neben Seti@home ist unser Team nun auch bei vielen anderen Projekten des Public Distributed Computing (Öffentliches Verteiltes Rechnen) unter dem Namen SETI.Germany vertreten und hat die 350 000 000 credit-Grenze passiert!
Die Themen der Projekte reichen von Astrophysik, Molekularbiologie, Chemie, Mathematik, Medizin, Rendering, Verschlüsselung und angewandter Informatik bis zum aktuellen Projekt hier ClimatePrediction.

Auf unserer Webseite bieten wir weiterführende Informationen zu diesen Projekten u.a. in einem großen Forensystem .Das Angebot für unsere Mitglieder und Gäste umfasst außerdem eine Chatfunktion, eine ausführliche Performance-Statistik zu den meisten Projekten mit Seti.Germany-Beteiligung und mehr...

Zu unserem aktuellen Stand hier bei ClimatePrediction:


Zum aktuellen Stand im ganzen BOINC:


Wenn Du jetzt Lust bekommen hast bei uns mitzurechnen, benutze einfach folgende Links:

Diesen hier wenn Du bereits ein Konto bei ClimatePrediction hast und nur zu uns ins Team kommen möchtest, oder diesen hier, wenn Du noch ein Konto eröffnen möchtest.

Ansonsten:
Fröhliches Vollgascrunchen allerseits!

49) Message boards : Number crunching : Why this forum, if the project team doesn\'t bother to go here? (Message 27112)
Posted 27 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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I really don\'t care about whether it\'s run by Boinc or phpBB, as long as it\'s only one forum for all, and not two separated, unconnected siblings.
...


Only two? I count more than that! :-)

* The main phpBB forum (shared between all climate projects)
* CPDN Boinc forum
* BBC Boinc forum
* CPDN SAP Boinc forum
* Beta forum
* Spinup forum (project now wiped)

The more an argument to close this one.

A sub-forum for each sub-project over there, one for overall technical issues, one for science, one for smalltalk, that\'s it.

I wonder why they still have those other ones, but as long as they keep them open, it\'s their duty to maintain them properly.
50) Message boards : Number crunching : Status of plans for shorter wus? (Message 27072)
Posted 25 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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The front page still shows Classic because some people are still running it.

But as it\'s only for a few, and not for scientific but educational pupose, with useless results by now, it should imho move to some hidden area, or at least the update, and state just the numbers from the time it became futile sciencewise.
With an ongoing update of the numbers the impression is maintained, that it\'s still a valid program to run outside the restricted classes in Oxford.

See this sticky.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : Proposal for the hijacked \"short WUs\" thread (Message 27054)
Posted 24 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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My proposal for the dealing with this cluttered and hijacked thread:

- delete all off-topic posts.

- put those with non-fitting, but valid, content either in a fitting thread or start a new topic (I know, moving is impossible with the boinc forum software, but you could post it as a quote in an own post).

- put this thread on a bit closer attention and start deleting further OT-posts faster.

- @us posters: don\'t go OT there any more.
52) Message boards : Number crunching : Status of plans for shorter wus? (Message 27053)
Posted 24 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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However, if my Posting was \"socially unacceptable\", then either my perception of my own social skills are completely bogus or we simply have heavily different definitions regarding the matter.

My 70th Posting here shall be my last one and I won\'t be around any longer.

Cya all around and good luck with the Project... You will need it.


Hallo FalyonFly,

Unfortunately I only can read my own deleted posts, your\'s are hidden.

Afaik your post was perfectly fine and nothing against the rules in it (unless you cited the ranter dago-rat). It was about back-ups, and this fit\'s imho even fuine in this thread about short WUs, as long WUs and backups seem to go together.

If the powers that be don\'t like these issues be discussed in the same thread, they should start a new one and move (or at least quote) your post in a new thread, not simply delete it. This removal/quotation worked a bit over @Rosetta in the times of the credit wars with the cheaters.
53) Message boards : Number crunching : Status of plans for shorter wus? (Message 27052)
Posted 24 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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This thread is about shorter WUs.
It\'s a fine concept that probably need an audience.

Unfortunately some posters here (worst example the absolutely arrogant dago-rat) just use it for theor trolling about other users.

Could the mods please go on deleting such posts like the lats couple of him/her, they definitely don\'t fit the definition of:
# No messages whose only intention is to annoy or antagonize other people.
# No messages whose only intention is to hijack a thread.
# No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting.


They are all of it.

If you want\'s to rant about other crunchers, please go to the cafe or bugger of at all, don\'t hijach this thread.

@moderators:
Please feel free to delete this post along the other ones not fit in here.
54) Message boards : Number crunching : Status of plans for shorter wus? (Message 27025)
Posted 23 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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If the admins don\'t have the time to look into this forum then why not shut it down?

That\'s my suggestion as well. Look in my other thread about the two fora.
55) Message boards : Number crunching : Why this forum, if the project team doesn\'t bother to go here? (Message 27024)
Posted 23 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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I really don\'t care about whether it\'s run by Boinc or phpBB, as long as it\'s only one forum for all, and not two separated, unconnected siblings.

If you want to keep the phpBB one (and I see a lot of merit with that), I suggest close this one. I dunno if and how it\'s possible to keep the stuff from here over there. For me as a plain puter user both are just databases with text fields, somehow linked, and so I presume it should be possible to include at least the content, perhaps not the interlinkage, over there in a special part \"Old Boinc\", and be it as read only.

But this two separate fora are at least suboptimal, the probability of information going nowhere ist imho to big.

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56) Message boards : Number crunching : Why this forum, if the project team doesn\'t bother to go here? (Message 27020)
Posted 23 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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First:
I think it was OK to remove the OT-posts from the thread about short WUs.

So instead of answering again in there I will start this new thread (to a post that should have been removed as well imho if removal would have been consistent).

Why is it that the developers have to be contacted by PM, and don\'t visit this forum? Isn\'t this forum on the project\'s own website?

First off, CPDN started on it\'s own without BOINC, so their original forums which people are encouraged to use, are the ones that are monitored more than these. These were added because BOINC is not only the software you run, but the online database that the project runs, so these forums are just an added (IMHO) nescience. Keeping up two forums is hard work, on a skeleton crew. Since they are more comfortable with their old forums, that\'s what they use the most.

So, if you look at things in perspective, they figured these forums would be watched / policed / maintained by the volunteers who are moderators, and they run the other ones.


There is no need for two fora.

Other projects have other fora, some only with a different layout (Einstein, Docking, QMC, Pirates at least), some with a complete different software (Simap, Spinhenge, WCG and perhaps more).

The folks @CPDN decided deliberately and on their own will to keep this forum up, so it\'s their duty to care about it. There is no need for any of us crunchers to go to the other fora as long as this here exists. The project team has no reason whatsoever to say they havn\'t heard about problems when they are mentioned here. That has to be sufficient, no PM or even a visit over there necessary.

Otherwise simply ditch this forum. I would not have a problem with it, I go to Simap and WCG as well, despite their otherness.
57) Message boards : Number crunching : Trojan boinc installation by rogue member (Message 26947)
Posted 20 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Thanks for this treatment of this phisher.
I quoted your post in the fora of the other projects he joined to start a discussion there, I hope you don\'t mind.

Here are the links to those threads:
Einstein
Rosetta
Simap
µFluids
Predictor
Burp
PrimeGrid
(BOINCstats)
58) Message boards : Cafe CPDN : Team Recruiting Thread - CLOSED (Message 26714)
Posted 10 Feb 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Hallo liebe Mitrechner hier bei ClimatePrediction!

SETI.Germany ist das größte deutsche Team beim wissenschaftlichen Projekt SETI@home, der Suche nach außerirdischer Intelligenz, durchgeführt an der Universität von Kalifornien, Berkeley.

Auch weiterhin liegt ein Schwerpunkt in diesem Projekt, unter dem sich unser Team in Seticlassic-Zeiten formiert hat und seine Teambezeichnung fand.

Neben Seti@home ist unser Team nun auch bei vielen anderen Projekten des Public Distributed Computing (Öffentliches Verteiltes Rechnen) unter dem Namen SETI.Germany vertreten und hat die 350 000 000 credit-Grenze passiert!
Die Themen der Projekte reichen von Astrophysik, Molekularbiologie, Chemie, Mathematik, Medizin, Rendering, Verschlüsselung und angewandter Informatik bis zum aktuellen Projekt hier ClimatePrediction.

Auf unserer Webseite bieten wir weiterführende Informationen zu diesen Projekten u.a. in einem großen Forensystem .Das Angebot für unsere Mitglieder und Gäste umfasst außerdem eine Chatfunktion, eine ausführliche Performance-Statistik zu den meisten Projekten mit Seti.Germany-Beteiligung und mehr...

Zu unserem aktuellen Stand hier bei ClimatePrediction:


Zum aktuellen Stand im ganzen BOINC:


Wenn Du jetzt Lust bekommen hast bei uns mitzurechnen, benutze einfach folgende Links:

Diesen hier wenn Du bereits ein Konto bei ClimatePrediction hast und nur zu uns ins Team kommen möchtest, oder diesen hier, wenn Du noch ein Konto eröffnen möchtest.

Ansonsten:
Fröhliches Vollgascrunchen allerseits!
59) Message boards : Number crunching : First phase of migration of BBC/CCE to cpdn and standard version of boinc (Message 26469)
Posted 31 Jan 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Relax, it\'s used for educational purposes, and as such probably valid. If you read the whole quote (somewhere down in the history of this thread or here) you\'ll see this.


Huh? Now it\'s probably valid? I don\'t get it.

Also, why do you say \"those who refuse to go BOINC\"? It sounds to me like a lot of people who are NOT in the course are also running classic. Please explain.

Classic was there first, they did the pioneer work here, and it\'s imho OK to recognise that, and be it with credit conversion.
Some time in the past classic became obsolete for scientific purposes, but is still alive for educational use.
CPDN meanwhile has made the step to boinc, first parallel, with both results valid, now only Boinc is valid.

Some crunchers seem to be change resistant, and as much as I like to grant recognition to the pioneers, I don\'t want the stats be contaminated with futile energy waste.
60) Message boards : Number crunching : First phase of migration of BBC/CCE to cpdn and standard version of boinc (Message 26466)
Posted 31 Jan 2007 by Profile Saenger
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But to give them away for those who still refuse to go Boinc and do futile CPU-heating (to quote Carl: we aren\'t going to use the results from any classic) will be far over the top.


What?????? !!!!! CPDN is encouraging people to waste CPU time crunching crap that will never be used?


Relax, it\'s used for educational purposes, and as such probably valid. If you read the whole quote (somewhere down in the history of this thread or here) you\'ll see this.


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